2013 Ford Shelby GT500: 650 Horsepower, 200 MPH ZL1 Slayer

HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIII

Props to Ford for coming out guns blazing. I just wonder where is the market for this car/price point.... There is a strong market for Camaros... nobody was dying to have a GT500....

I also question reliability... sounds like they are reaching the point where you better have your own mechanic/garage to maintain this car. The cost of maintenance potentially could be a nightmare!!!

I just feel like ford went too far to try and overtake GM's accomplishments with the ZL1....

Should get interesting but once again from a Camaro owner to all Ford guys and Ford... CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! Much respect to you guys. I REALLY hope it performs as tremendous as it looks on paper.

Wow Ford Really?! the amount of money consumers have and are shelling out to have a hot new mustang is rediculous! only to become insignificant the next year, this is coming from a GT500 Owner!
I purchased one of the first GT500 ever produced in 2007 paying the insane $30,000 dealer mark up because i was gettin somethin special! something one of a kind! now it seems there is a new slightly updated version every year. Ford is going to lose a great deal of consumers because of this i believe. i own a GT500 u had to be on a year waiting list for and have %50 of the vehicles cost down before i ever saw it, then 2007 turned into 2008 when another model year came out and a KR? lol i feel very bad for those who payed that dealer incentive to get those new boss's and Laguna
Seca's, only to see a year and a half later something wearing the same badge will have more power and make their pride and joy that much less desirable

The chassis, introduced in 2005, wasn’t designed to support IRS (Independent Rear Suspension); it was designed to support a 200- bhp V-6 and a 300-bhp V-8. It’s now sporting twice that power—a testament to the strength of the chassis and durability of the suspension. -Road&Track Quoting Ford's Engineers at the Nurburgring

ALL the Auto Enthusiast Magazines and Websites are going to go crazy over a Head-To-Head Match-Up between the ZL1 and GT500... a long ways away tho.

@nickm_gt500

That will be a very valuable car in the future, especially if you have the Super Snake package. 2007 is when they revived the Shelby-Ford relationship... and your chassis's suspension is probably better anyways. Keep it, pass it down to your kids, keep the paperwork and keep it original.

And if you do have that Supersnake package, that's one of the best looking, if not thee best, mustangs ever!

A couple of key press release ingredients that were left out here:

"A new, defeatable launch control system has been developed that allows drivers unprecedented levels of control, allowing for specific rpm launch points to be chosen based on elevation, tire and street temperature and other variables. This system is fully unique to the SVT lineup in that it is incorporated into both the engine control and traction control systems.

There is also a Torsen limited-slip differential that comes with the optional Performance Package, something Ford says helps even further to deliver maximum power output to the ground. Rounding out the driving dynamic upgrades are tweaks to the AdvanceTrac system, which now features appropriately adjusted steering assist levels based on the changes to the car."
BD

Camaro's belly is so big, the kids play on it

ZL-What is only 300 lbs heavier, and giving up 100HP
BD

@nickm_gt500: Your '07 Shelby is still nice...I'd take it ;-)

I have an '06 GT convertible, and though it "only" has about 320hp, no Brembo brakes, and no latest-and-greatest Sync, I still love it, and don't feel the need to trade it yet. I think that's the thing with any enthusiast cars - owners can get attached, even if it isn't the latest and best. Just ask the 03-04 Terminator owners if they want to part with their cars yet. ;-)

Honestly, I barely get to use the 300-or-so HP around town anyway, no idea what I'd do with an extra 200-350...or a Mustang that can go 200mph.

Thing is, people will always pay extra for what at least appears to be a "special" year car...when I saw a Boss LS for sale this summer, the dealer was asking $75k (Canadian). Can get a Shelby for less than that - and as nice as the Boss is, it isn't a $75k car.

As for this new GT500, I'm sure it's nice...but, I wonder if it would've been a better idea to make the switch to a supercharged Coyote engine (re: lighter), and offer in the 550-560hp range.

This HP war is getting ridiculous...whether it's the latest Veyron, Ferrari, SRT*, Camaro, or Mustang. 10 years ago we were happy with (or dreamed of) supercars with less power than a "base" Mustang GT offers now.

@intothewest

I am sure it wont feel the same as coyote engine making 550-560 hp, that's just the same as roush mustang stage 3, which feels like aftermarket job, feel fast but not refine as shelby gt500. I am also sure it won't feel the same as making the current car to 550 hp car to 650 hp feels, as ford sure will make it feel more refined and a bit tamed down and controllable, so it won't feel as fast, but on instrument testing will shows the extra power.

After reading all of these comments...

Wow. Am I the only one who's absolutely thrilled that Ford is making Mustangs these days with SIX HUNDRED FIFTY HORSEPOWER?!

OH MY GAWD!

650 HP!

*HEAD EXPLODES*

I was saving up for a Z06, but now I know what my new car is going to be.

ZR1s fear Shelby GT500s
BD

Yeah that's great, this car could barely put down 550 Hp to get off the line 100 hp more is exactly what it needed. ROFL. GT500s are jokes, the boss 302 that is the real deal. Someone call me when Ford decides to give it's mustangs a real suspension.

BD,

You sure are very confident that the ZL-1 will be looking at the rear of the GT500? ZL-1 is just 1.27 seconds off the 'Ring's time set by the new 911 S:

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

Ford GT was about 10 seconds slower. I somehow doubt the GT500 will beat the ZL1 on a track considering the GT500 still has a live rear axle from a horse carriage.

Also, not sure how ZR1s fear GT500 considering ZR1 is among the top fastest production cars on basically any world track. And if you are only talking about straight line acceleration, then the GT500 won't be able to put it down efficiently enough. It likely won't be beat the "chick car" Audi TT-RS's manual box's 0-60 4.0 sec time, nor the Corvette Grand Sport's acceleration #s.

I'm a huge Mustang fan and personally drive a Mustang as well but this horsepower war is getting ridiculous. Instead of trying to one up the ZL-1 Ford should of kept the same motor in the 2012 GT500 and looked to weight reductions and a new suspension setup.

Blackdynamite, ZR1's fear GT500's? Really? Let's do some math here. The ZR1 makes 12 less hp vs the GT500 but it has a substantial weight advantage of about 350lbs! With that said I don't see any ZR1's shaking in their Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Hell, a Z06 traps about 7 to 9 mph faster than the current GT500 so the ZR1 is still in elite territory.

I've personally been a fan of mustangs for a short time as I became interested after the last overhaul of the Mustang when Ford finally decided to add a large helping of power, sophistication, refinement and chassis dynamics. However, I've never been a fan of the GT500 as I just didn't see it as an upgrade from the Boss as the Boss just seemed like a much better executed package overall and almost just as fast in a straight line. By comparison, the GT500 seemed sloppy dynamically and a bit on the slow side given its power rating. The Boss looked to be much more polished dynamically as it doesn't look anywhere near as sloppy as a GT500 on a road course. Let's just hope that Ford addressed those issues with the 2013 GT500!

Bestjinjo, I'm pretty sure the GT500 uses an IRS. Given how well the Boss' chassis was tuned and the GT500's superior and substantial power to weight advantage vs the ZL1, the ZL1 may just get its brakes beat off by the GT500!

P.s. Ford, please implement some anti-dive mechanicals so the Stang won't stand on it's nose under hard braking!

The current GT500 with the performance pack beats the Gran Sport Corvette acceleration numbers according to Car and Driver. The Z06 top speed is 199 this thing does 200+ thats amazing for a musclecar. The whisper numbers put this car 10 seconds faster than the camaro ZL1 around the Numburg ring. They did the samething to the GT500 that they did to the Boss. So I would bet anyone it will handle the power and be the best handling pony car ever.

Staggering. I wonder if this horsepower war hasn't jumped the shark. The existing GT500 can't put the power down. I'll wager this one isn't any faster until about 70 MPH. So right about the time you're breaking the law, you might notice a difference. Super. And what a statement to make about your regard for fuel efficiency.

This is a sensational car for $60,000 and half you geniuses don't know WTF you're talking about.

@Nickem I feel your pain. Cobras are meant to be one of a kind and rare. Unfortunately, I know too many people that held on to their 03 Cobras "terminators," never drove'm and ended up selling them less than what they expected. So drive your cobra, because every year they will have a new one! You know what's ridiculous with mustangs though? There's soo many special editions you really can't expect any of them to bring any premium over the GT's in terms of residual value.

Oh great. This should be out just as I get my current Mustang paid off. Self control...

That said, dear god Ford, how the heck is this even necessary? Who cares, this is awesome.

Can someone give me the low down on the 5.8L? Is it just a bored 5.4L? I haven't heard much about a 5.8L.

I need to know more about this engine...

@powell_jr, it's speculation but basically take what they did to the 4.6 to get a 5.4 and do it to the 5.0 and you get a 5.8. Then strap a blower to it.

This is why you never benchmark a current model, the ZL1 might have the squeeze on suspension, but it won't touch this thing on the strip.

With 650hp and so much torque, it will be very difficult to harness all that power to the rear wheels...Translate, not a whole lot of performance improvement, just more or less a status symbol...

5.8? Did the bring back the 351 displacement? Nice if they did since they have the 302 as well.

That being said, this HP war is really getting silly. But as an old Mustang guy I do enjoy the fact that whenever Chevy tries to upstage the Mustang, Ford beats them to the punch.....good for them.

First I'm gonna say I love the Mustang but I own a Nissan GT-R. Say what you will but you'll both Chevy,Ford will get smoked. The price of american muscle with no refinement,glue smells,bad fitting panels,cheap plastics....do I need to continue? I want lighter cars better MPG'S and reliability! Can we focus on that! Called the dealer near me and guess what? $20K mark up on the new Mustang when it's released! Chevy...the same. Never buy an American car that will be massed produced with a dealer mark up. Oh and I'm mad now that Nissan is making a better GT-R with more power and it's quicker than mine straight from the factory! Damn the HP wars! I'm not made of money!

@spqr309, why is (supposedly) owning a gtr relevant? Then to make a general statement about an entire countries offerings. Oh the GTR is better because the dealers don't mark the cars up, that's relevant. Why are you even commenting?

Lost +1000

Every one of his posts is the same.....he says he likes something then says he owns a GT-R and it is really better because it is not American.

Repeat it with me:

This car now has SVT Launch Control.......
This car now has SVT Launch Control.......
BD

The 2011 Shelby GT350 is a current gen Mustang and the 525 hp version hit 60 in 3.7s bone stock and did a 12.0s flat 1/4 mile bone stock as tested by Motor Trend. I doubt very much if Ford will add a 100 hp and not increase the tire size to at least 305s and it does have launch control. The GT-R, yeah that's a good comparison, the guys who paid $90,000 for their 09-11 models now lose to Boss Mustangs that cost half the price, i'd be embarrassed to even open my mouth. For those that bought earlier GT500s, it's a 3 hour swap to install Ford Racings supercharger upgrade the TVS and it's good for up to 850 hp. Comparing the GT500 to a ZR1 is another bad comparison, the ZR1 is twice the price of a GT500, STUPID. I like all these people who compare much more expensive cars to the Mustang as if money were no object to them, i guess fanboyism is alive and well on this post. bestjinjo conveniently forgot to mention all the fastest times at The Ring belong to manufacturers and the FGT was never taken there by Ford, so that practically nulifies the FGT time, BTW bestjerkoff the FGT is the ultimate tuner car. Live axle you say, the 2013 will likely have a Torsen differential like the Boss Mustang has. Sign me up on the bottom line i'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

spqr309 says:

"I want lighter cars better MPG'S and reliability!"

Funny, you say you want a lighter car when supposedly you own a GT-R. Guess what? Your car weighs the same as the mustang GT500 3,800 lbs.

Reliability?

Car one (the GTR) is a computer with wheels, chopstick driveshafts, AWD, a somewhat new transmission design, and a very complex twin turbocharged V6.

Car two (the GT500) has a six speed manual, a supercharged V8, a much simpler suspension design, and only two driven wheels.

Just looking at the complexity of the parts, the GT500 is seemingly the more reliable of the two...

ZL1 vs. GT500 will be interesting. The ZL1 will have a weight and HP disadvantage but a much better suspension. Can't wait to see how it pans out in the real world.

BD.... You are a epic tool.

1. The ZR1 will destroy the GT500 in any form of racing.

2. The 2012 Can't even manage 550H.P what is Ford thinking? 100h.p is going to be a complete joke.

3. 200+mph lmao yeeaahhh I will believe it when I see it. With .38 drag coefficent... Thats no believable at all. shoot the ZR1 with .29 and better power to weight ratio tops out at 205 in ideal conditions.. Ford wasted a great engine on this car. If you're serious about high performance you need to bring back the GT and make a REAL sports car not another overpowered Mustang.

4. The 2010 Supersnake with 750h.p and 5.3lbs per h.p better than the 5.9 for this car. Ran 4.1 and 12flat@120 mph per M.T That should give you an idea what this car is going to do. Power is NOT what this car needed it's called traction...

Nobody cares if a $120,000 ZR1 will beat a $60,000 Mustang, the people with money, aka the smart guys, place a higher value on 2006 Ford GTs than any brand new Vette. Motor Trend in the best drivers competition did 60 in a 3300 lb, 7.0L, $105,000, 2 seat ZO7 in 3.8s and an 11.9s 1/4 mile with 345 slicks on it, if I was a Chevy fan I wouldn't be bragging too hard. A bone stock Boss Mustang with just DRs can do 11.72s in the 1/4 mile in a 3600 lb 4 seat with a 5.0L engine.
Here's a better link highlighting the 2013 GT500,
http://shnack.com/fullstory.php?story=232

I'm going to step back from my mind being blown with those stats (remember a few years ago when people said we'd never see a V8 again? Haha!) and question one thing in this release that worried me: the three steering effort levels. To me, it seems like in actual execution that's code for "we couldn't get any of the steering levels correct, so pick whichever artificial one feels least bad to you". I hope that's not the case, especially since steering feel is an area where the Mustang does have an advantage over the Camaro, but experience tells me this may not go well.

Of course, with 650 HP a lot can be forgiven.

Oh and the price is another concern. Yes these cars are still around the best bang-for-buck performance values out there, but seeing the post above where the ZL-1 is going for $54,000, I feel like they're definitely moving away from being accessible for the common man.

Then again, 650 HP. I really can't complain. Please, Chevy, feel free to fire back and trump this. Consumers win.

Complexity of a design and reliability are connected but saying all simple cars are more reliable BECAUSE its more simple is ridiculous. Id buy a Mustang and this one is one badass car but 'stangs aren't really known for reliability.

I'm a Chevy guy and have been driving F-bodies for 15 years...but damn this is impressive. I'm sure the ZL1 is going to be sick, but Ford really stole it's thunder with this release.

@stovt001
Yes the top of the line models are definitely now well out of reach for the "common man". It does suck because I fall into that category and would love a GT500 or ZL1. But on the other hand, these are the elite models and are special because not just anyone can go buy one. Hell, even a GT or SS is still going to run at least 35K, and that's not pocket change.

Exactly my point. OK fine, the top of the line models are expensive, and that's just how the world works, but I'm college educated and a few years into a working career and I can't even imagine owning a GT or SS, at least not new for quite some time. And then by that time, the possibility of kids makes a 2 door coupe seem less than ideal.

inlinesix,

Thats why I said seemingly. I didn't say ALL simple cars are reliable, although more often than not that is the case.

Socammer... That was in response to BD's Dumb comment not a statement because the ZL1 can handle the GT500 by itself. The Z06 DOES NOT HAVE SLICKS they are the R compund tires FOR TRACK USE NOT THE DRAG STRIP they hurt straight line performance for better lap times. IF you honestly believe a stock Boss will beat a Z06 at the strip both with same tires I have some ocean front property in Arizona I can get you a great deal on! That comment was even more silly than BD's comment that the ZR1 fears the 13 GT500.

"The 2012 Can't even manage 550H.P what is Ford thinking? 100h.p is going to be a complete joke."

LOL....ohhhh lube boy you are again out of your league. I see you did not take the time to read the entire article here or anywhere else. Ford made a lot more mods than just 100 more horses. What really bugs you is how most of the online reviews are laughing their asses off at the Camaro....take this on for example if you dont believe me.

http://jalopnik.com/5859549/the-2013-shelby-gt500-wants-to-make-the-camaro-zl1-its-bitch?tag=2013-Shelby-GT500

"You know how the Chevy Camaro ZL1 was supposed to be sitting atop the Muscle Car War heap? Yeah, not so much anymore. Meet the 650 HP 2013 Shelby GT500 — it's gonna try to make the ZL1 its little bitch."

"Because Ford's added all sorts of other stuff to help manage all that power and torque — you know, like 19-inch front and 20-inch rear wheels coupled with Goodyear Eagle® F1 SuperCar G: 2 tires on all vehicle configurations and a Torsen limited-slip differential." (also launch control)

Only a lube tech at a Chevy dealer would call this car a "joke".

sohcammer,

Stop acting like a child and start acting like a mature person. Looks like you just love mouthing off and what you post has 0 to do with reality. The argument about adding after-market parts to cars is irrelevant and we are stalking stock vs. stock. If you are talking aftermarket, then the AMS Nissan GTR would destroy any Ford Mustang in existence outside of dragsters.

The 2011 GT500 couldn't put down its power properly in a straight line OR on a track.

It was a full 3 seconds slower than the Vette and the GTR on a track:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1104_2011_chevrolet_corvette_2011_ford_shelby_gt500_2012_nissan_gtr_comparison/viewall.html

Not to mention, Pro Race Driver Randy Pobst has skills that surpass anyone on our boards. Put any one of us in those 3 cars and the performance advantage of the GTR/Z06 will only grow against the Mustang. The stability in the middle of the corner on high-speed bumps will be compromised on the Stang. None of us would be able to drive that Stang with as much confidence when its serious axle-dance rears its ugly head. The GT500's chassis is not in the same league as the Vette or the GTR.

When you add in the $15-20k dealership mark-ups on the GT500, it makes no sense at all, unless you are a fan of the Mustang in particular.

"Nobody cares if a $120,000 ZR1 will beat a $60,000 Mustang, the people with money, aka the smart guys, place a higher value on 2006 Ford GTs than any brand new Vette."

Where do you live? Michigan? People with real $$$ don't buy Mustangs. They buy Zondas, Ferraris, Lambos and Veyrons. A 2006 Ford GT Mustang might have been impressive if we were still in high school and all of your friends were 17 year old boys.

09cobaltSFBs is the complete Chevy Idiot,
Considering the Enormous price difference between a $105,000 ZO7 and a $44,000 Boss Mustang with the Torsen and Recaros, The Huge displacement advantage by 2.0Ls the ZO7 has over the 5.0L Boss Mustang, a Very noticeable weight advantage of 300lbs, and yes just this side of slicks and a 345 size, the Boss looks like a wimp on paper next to the ZO7. The Boss Mustang should've been totally blown away in an acceleration contest, but yes Chevy fanboy the Boss used DOT DRs, compared to the Cheater tired Vette that would not even be considered a bolt-on, just a tire swap. Don't forget your slicks for the ZO7 on Drag day or you'll lose genius.
Motor Trend, Best Drivers Car, the ZO7
So why sixth place? You know anything about tires? Chevrolet decided to offer slicks as an option for the 2012 model year, and our Corvette came so equipped. In the Corvette's defense, the Porsche GT3 RS also came packing basically the same sticky Michelin Pilot Sport Cups. However, they're different spec, and the autobahnstuermer's tires had tread all the way around. Not the 'Vette's meats. A quarter of the enormously wide 345s had no tread at all. The refrain then became, "Sure, the 'Vette's fast. But put those tires on the LFA, and let's see what's what." Still, the grip was epic. Markus explained, "Heroic tire grip better matches the 7-liter's big-lunged, basso, boffo performance, allowing mere mortals to safely and confidently explore a tiny bit more of the car's enormous performance envelope." Moreover, this Z06 performed the shortest stop we've ever tested: 60-0 mph in 94 feet. It also posted the fastest figure-eight time, well, ever. But no one would credit the car for either excellent stat, only the tires.

Then there was the Corvette's perennial Achilles' heel -- those damn seats! Lago noted that with this 'Vette, the ultra-gumballs help highlight just how inferior the seats are. Justin Bell gave me 30 laps around Laguna Seca as a passenger, and there were two of them where my (thankfully) helmeted head repeatedly banged against the window. If you have trouble reading between the lines, those two laps were in the Z06. Justin, who won Le Mans at the wheel of a Corvette, commented that he just couldn't believe a car with such tremendous levels of performance would let the occupants get tossed around in such a ridiculous manner.

At one point Bell (almost) missed a 2-3 upshift because he couldn't reach! Justin, who stands about 6 feet tall, had been hurled against the door and had to fight more than his own body weight (the Z06 pulls wacky g's) to sit up straight and push the industrial-strength shifter up and away. To reiterate, the Corvette Z06 had the worst seats of the bunch, by a flying mile. While fast around the figure eight, poor Kim had to hang on for dear life. "It wasn't pleasant," commented Mr. Reynolds. Anyhow, same old Corvette story. And you can't be the Best Driver's Car if your driver struggles.

Motor Trend, Best Drivers Car, the Boss Laguna Seca,

Then there's the chassis, which really is the best part. "I cannot believe the way it hooks up!" yelled Randy. "They must have had John Force do the drag racing setup, because I virtually couldn't knock it loose." It's true; blasting out of turn 11 onto the main straight, you could go flat in the AWD cars, the Lotus Evora S, the cheater-tired Corvette, and the Boss 302 Laguna Seca. The other cars would oversteer, and the Lotus simply doesn't have enough gumption to break the back end loose. British TV shows will never admit it, but live axles do have certain advantages. Like being able to put more power down than an independent rear. Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts. The front-end brake dive we've noticed on scores of other Mustangs was absent. You felt fully in control as you slowed to turn. Ford, finally! What a great feeling. And the Boss' turn-in was even better. The car seemed genuinely excited about leaping into a corner. Moreover, it felt balanced in mid-corner, something that can't be said for other Mustangs. We all came away super-impressed by the Boss 302 Laguna Seca, the least expensive car of the group.

What did Motor Trend say? The CHEATER-TIRED CORVETTE

You should find something you're good at cause this ain't it.

Ford just dropped a f-ing BOMB on GM..... Nuff said.

Impressive stuff. Sounds like a whole lot of scary power for a live rear axle on the street though, where you have potholes, road undulations, cracks, freeway seems and the like. Probably why they needed to give it a good TCS, adjustable suspension, launch control, and OPTIONAL (really, seriously, this part kind of is appalling to be honest on a car with this price and that kind of power) limited slip to handle it all. I really hope these items are tuned well enough to contain this thing.

Hmmmm, I also hope that carbon-fiber driveshaft is in a very strong drive tube, 'cause that will be EX-PEN-SIVE to replace!

The mags seemed to say buy the Boss instead of the Shelby as it had a better sorted suspension and was just about as fast. Hopefully with this adjustable setup it's better suited to support this new fastest Mustang ever.

Did someone really whine about Ford improving the car every year or two? Should Ford not improve their cars because you bought one? WTF kind of logic is that?

"ZL1 vs. GT500 will be interesting. The ZL1 will have a weight and HP disadvantage but a much better suspension. Can't wait to see how it pans out in the real world."

@ Zigger, much better suspension in what way? Sure the Camaro wins on paper when it comes to suspension design (IRS vs Live axle) yet the Mustang has more than proven itself in terms of handling as execution played a big role.

When will people STOP judging performance by specs on paper and instead use real world data to determine the better executed package? The v6, the GT and the Boss have more than proven themselves vs the Camaro as they are simply better executed.... PERIOD! Now if Ford can get the GT500 to handle like the Boss and efficiently put it's power down.......... Wow!

I've owned 4 Camaro's and loved'em all, but Ford is making it really hard to stay loyal. This GT500 is incredible. Come on GM step up your game your losing your customer base.

I say 1487 should be given a day pass just to comment on this thread! He must be having a thrombo!

stovt001 says:
"Exactly my point. OK fine, the top of the line models are expensive, and that's just how the world works, but I'm college educated and a few years into a working career and I can't even imagine owning a GT or SS, at least not new for quite some time. And then by that time, the possibility of kids makes a 2 door coupe seem less than ideal."

Yep, I'm in the same boat. 30, college degree and definitely can't afford a new SS or GT. These cars have been priced out of reach for a lot of their target market. However, they are still selling and having a college degree doesn't entitle us to anything. I hate that I can't afford these cars, but that is reality. I just have to make more money.

Oh, also, there's 1 interior picture showing the new Recaros. I'm thinking the new Shelby will have a similar interior to the rest of the Mustang line, as the current Shelby does.

From a design standpoint it's nice, but I'd like to see Ford do some upgrading to the materials for the Shelby. A stitched leatherette or alcantara dashtop, center stack, console, and center and door armrests would be a nice soft touch, perceived quality upgrade, as well as better meshed speaker screens, and add a center channel speaker for a surround quality sound system. I can't image any of these features would substantially increase the price of the car, but would add a ton in perceived quality upgrades.

@lsxformula, If you don't have a family and can't afford a $30k car at the age of 30 you might have done a few things wrong.

I'm not saying these near ~$60k are cheap, but they shouldn't be. These are expensive toys for rich people, you can make that power on your own for a fraction of the cost, but it will be with your own hands and no warranty.

lostboyz:

Don't judge another commenter. Don't tell lsx hes done a few things wrong. Discuss the cars not the commenters, thats what we are here for.

lostboyz says:
"@lsxformula, If you don't have a family and can't afford a $30k car at the age of 30 you might have done a few things wrong."

A 30K car is around a $500 car payment if you want to pay it off in a reasonable amount of time. An SS after taxes and fees is more like upper 30's. That is a decent amount of money, at least to me. Sure I could walk into a dealer and get a loan, but I don't want to be another one of those people whose life is built on debt. I have many friends making 50-100K and I can only think of maybe 2 that spent over 30K on a car.

Maybe I have a different outlook than most, but being able to physically obtain a certain car does not necessarily mean it's affordable.

@lostboyz

That's a really inappropriate comment to be making. Not to mention that that dated view doesn't take into account so many different factors, not the least of which is the meteroic rise in inflation of post-high school education costs, much less everything else today. When I was looking at universities back in 2004, USC was asking about $45k A YEAR. If I had gone and taken loans out to go, and spent the average time now for a BA of 5 years, that's a loaned amount of $225,000 before interest for a bachelor's degree. Almost any job I get out of college and for at least 6-10 years after is not going to pay me enough to pay the balance of those loans plus interest off in that period, plus cover all the other costs of life + the unexpecteds. Even going to a public university with a $10k a year tuition you're looking at $50,000 before interest.

Seriously, don't comment on someone else's life, you have no idea what's going on with them or what put them where they are. Nor should you be projecting your views or your personal goals on someone else, especially of all places on an auto enthusiast site.

sohcammer says: "A bone stock Boss Mustang with just DRs can do 11.72s in the 1/4 mile in a 3600 lb 4 seat with a 5.0L engine."

A stock C6 Z06 with street tires already runs 11.7s (top Z06 drivers already dip to low 11s) and with DRs can run 10.9s. The Boss while an impressive car in its own right, doesn't stand a chance against a Z06 in a straight line or around a track.

I hope this new GT500 is better than the previous ones at putting power down. The previous 550hp GT500 would do a 12.4~ and the 750hp SuperSnake could only do about 12 flat in the quarter. Power was never an issue with the car (bragging rights only) as the car really needs to hook up better and lose weight. I'm expecting the 2013 GT500 to at least match the SuperSnakes time.

Bodyblue..... You are a sad little man... Trying to put other people down to make you're miserable life sitting at home all day on IL dreaming of the glory days when you had a Avenger seem a little better lol..

The headlines are to start flame wars and generate hits nothing more than bench racing. Because well NOBODY has driven either car.

The Mustang can add all the power it wants it will still get it's arse handed to it on the track by ANY 600+h.p sports car! I hope the LC works wonders because if you have ever driven a GT500 you would know even the 500h.p 07 I drove would spin it's wheels going 40mph let alone from a dead stop. I just can't see this car doing 200+ plus either I will believe it when I see it. I will be willing to bet this will not even crack into the 11's just like the 750H.p 2010 "supersnake" M.T tested..

Socammer....LMFAO "Cheater" tires? WOW you are the DUMB A$$ who said the Boss was Faster with CHEATER DR's than the Z06 NOT me. FAIL comment of the year. last time I checked PSS's were NOT DR's..

I never brought the Z06 up you did and I had to put you in you're place. So you quote a article from M.T about TRACK tires NOT DR's again how is the Boss using DR's not cheating? IF you knew ANYTHING about tires you might know the difference one is for track use the other for the strip.. You need to find something you're good there champ!

BTW which car had the fastest lap time in that test? Oh thats right the ZO6... So the Porsche gets a pass for using them but the Z06 is cheating? what does this have to do with the 2013 GT500 again? Ford fan boys looove to change the subject.

GTRguy doesn't know anything about winning
His Nissan only comes in 4th best @ The Ring
Dreams of a poduim......

He always backs a loser.
True mush.
BD

Bone Stock BOSS MUSTANG with just a tire swap, DOT DRs, stopping the lights in 11.72s, $44,000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

Corvette ZO7 price as tested $105,000
0-60 in 3.8s
1/4 mile 11.9s
345 Factory Cheater Slicks
7.0L LS Garbage
3320 lb 2 seat

Motor Trend, Best Drivers Car, Ocotober, 2011

GTRguy doesn't know anything about winning
His Nissan only comes in 4th best @ The Ring
Dreams of a podium......

He always backs a loser.
True mush.
BD

Bone Stock BOSS MUSTANG with just a tire swap, DOT DRs, stopping the lights in 11.72s, $44,000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

Corvette ZO7 price as tested $105,000
0-60 in 3.8s
1/4 mile 11.9s
345 Factory Cheater Slicks
7.0L LS Garbage
3320 lb 2 seat

Motor Trend, Best Drivers Car, Ocotober, 2011

"The headlines are to start flame wars and generate hits nothing more than bench racing. Because well NOBODY has driven either car."

True enough....BUT to spec racers like you it is a HUGE deal....read the article I linked? The Camaro is being laughed at all over the internet. Now go put away that case of 10W/30 before your boss sees you on the computer.

"Zigger, much better suspension in what way? Sure the Camaro wins on paper when it comes to suspension design (IRS vs Live axle) yet the Mustang has more than proven itself in terms of handling as execution played a big role."

The ZL1 gets the MR suspension from the CTS-V. It makes a LOT of difference, believe me.

sohcammer says: "Bone Stock BOSS MUSTANG with just a tire swap, DOT DRs, stopping the lights in 11.72s, $44,000"

LOL, if you want to play the YouTube game...

Stock C6 Z06 w/ DR - 10.74 @ 129.50mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zv5RDzwS4g

Stock C6 Z06 w/ Stock Tires - 11.02 @ 127.25mph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct_RxkWp41g

Just give it up, you sound like a bitter Boss 302 owner. The Boss and Z06 are in two different performance brackets. Go back to picking on M3s...

Okay why comment? Well Lostboyz you miss the point of what was said. The GT-R shows how to engineer an all out performer with little $'s involved. If and when Chevy upgrades their building materials they will have true SPORTS CAR. Same for Ford. All that R&D for horse power then use cheap plastics,cheap leather... need I say more? This is a mute point with HP. Corvettes will not fear a Mustang only Camaros,M3's,C63's owners will. My son likes to post up Youtube vids of my car which will be his soon. When they build better,lighter,safer cars all around then we'll speak on HP. Also can not wait for the suspension walk around on this Stang!

spqr309 says: "If and when Chevy upgrades their building materials they will have true SPORTS CAR"

Hah, right. The Corvette with a 6spd, RWD, and light curb weight is not a 'true' sports car, but somehow the DSG, AWD and overweight GT-R is? All because of the 'building materials'? Yeah right. The GT-R interior is full of cheap plastic and really only has the edge over the C6 in regards to the seats and LCD. When viewed holistically, neither interior is as awful as everyone makes them out to be, but both are sub par for their price points.

There is no doubt a GT-R is fast, but to not call a Corvette a sports car is asinine. In terms of sheer driving experience/involvement and the actual definition of a sports car, the Corvette fits the description more closely than a GT-R ever will.

Wow those are jaw dropping HP numbers; now can we make a 70mpg (non-hybrid, gas engine) car? No it's not as exciting but it sure would be nice.

Dear Everyone,

Thank you for playing out the classic Ford vs. Chevy debate live, once again, for all to see. Truly a troll buffet here.

I own a Ford, but you know what? If Chevy came out with a 4-seater with this much power in this price bracket in approximately the same model year as a Ford, you know what? I wouldn't go slinging internet mud all over the place (though I admit the dig at one's personal finances was CLASSIC. keep it up!), I'd openly admit that its bad ass. Comparing any of the Mustangs to a Corvette is just dumb -- they are totally different price brackets, 2 vs 4-seater, and the later is mostly impractical (but really cool) for most day-to-day activities.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled trash talking.

please guys i made an article about this car please check it out

http://tellaih.blogspot.com/2011/11/2013-ford-mustang-gt500-to-have-most.html

I don't think this car is for me.

First, let me say, I take no joy in driving in straight lines. Roads that I consider 'fun' are so curvy they typically have a speed limit of 40mph or less. I don't drive much more than the speed limit because of:

A.) Traffic
B.) Johny Law, and
C.) Common sense

Now, I know that you're shaking your head and saying 'what about the track!?' Well, I don't know if you've noticed, but we don't exactly have an abundance of road courses in the US. Even if you live near one, they typically have less 'open to the public' track days a year than you can count on one hand.

Even *IF* your lucky enough to sign up for an event, it'll still run you about 1k a pop for track fees and wear and tear maintenance, and that's without an instructor, which adds another $500 to 1000. It's all a little overwhelming.

In my humble opinion, your best bet is the cheapest car you *enjoy* driving everyday. Somebody go ahead and take my man/enthusiast card...

Why even build this thing? It won't keep up with my 2010 ZR1 or even the new ZL1 Camaro. So who is going to buy it? Those who want to lose a race? It might beat a Challenger, but won't even run close with a ZR1 or ZL1. I could never figure Ford out.

Chevy Runs Deep.

That much power will be pointless withouth increasing the tire width. The current GT500 has enough problems with wheelspin.

@mortal - Track days that cost $1000? What? BMWCCA sponsors multi-day track events with in-class instruction, 5-6 10-15 minute track sessions (with instructor in your car) and those run in the $400-500 range for both days.

Really I'm fairly sure BMWCCA is not alone on this.

In a monster like this Ford you'd have 120+ on the straights. Not much is better than cutting loose on a track...

@lsxformula, sorry for the comment. My point was a $30k isn't unaffordable to the market demographic as you so speak. It is extremely affordable. Your basic mini-van or nicely equipped mid-sized sedan will run you the same money. It's what things cost these days, so it is no slight of chevy or ford, they are actually offering the best bang for the buck anywhere on the market. That was my point.

@ sohcammer

You're a hilarious fail troll. Do you even research/watch your own videos that you link? In the first one, the reviewer clearly states at the beginning "I have a prejudice against Corvettes." Lmao.

Also, good job quoting IL for the ZR1 1/4 mile time, yay. But you failed to quote IL's 1/4 mile time for the Boss 302.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/mustang/2011/2011-ford-mustang-track-shoot-out.html

"In this test the Boss hit 60 in 4.6 seconds (4.3 seconds with rollout) and crushed the quarter-mile in 12.7 seconds at 113.4 mph."

Lastly, I find it funny that you link random YouTube videos with no credible standing, and then claim it to be legit evidence ie your video of the "stock" Boss 302 running an 11.7.

And, also a good job at quoting MT's slowest recorded time for the Z06. Here's a different one from MT:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0512_exotic_sport_coupes_comparison/viewall.html

"Traction on our concrete track limited launch performance somewhat, but, by the quarter mile, each car's true power-to-weight shines through, and here the Corvette scores a victory, besting the Viper by four-tenths and 4.7 mph (11.6 seconds at 126.6 mph versus 12.0 at 121.9)."

That's right. 11.6 @ 126.6 mph on a concrete track (not a sticky, prepped drag strip) with "non-cheat" tires.

Yeah right Idiot, Vette sales 36,000 in 08 and 12,000 in 10, Chevy sales 5 million in 2000 and 2 million in 2010, the smart people all left Chevy, and what's left over is guys like you @lt1boy < A DIE HARD CHEVY IDIOT.

If you think a ZO6 is worth 85 to 105 thousand for a garbage reengined vette then go for it fanboy, here's another video showing your garbage Vette being reviewed,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWlK669ZVdY

BTW a stock Boss Mustang will out perform a stock Grand Sport Vette for $25,000 less, A-A-H the Chevy Idiots run deep.

sohcammer says: "Ranger times are BULL SHIT, my source was Motor Trend, Oct, 2011 issue, and they're a hell of a lot more credible than Ranger BULL SHIT times."

LOL. My video isn't credible but your video is? Oh please. And Ranger isn't the only one getting those times either. Also, as lt1boy has shown, even your beloved Motor Trend has gotten faster ETs on a stock Z than even the Boss w/ DRs and a whole second faster than a stock one.

Let's forget about the Z06 for now, it has been made clear that it is the superior car. Clearly you're punching above your weight class.

A stock Grand Sport would outpace the Boss in a straight line and on a track. Hell, the GT500 with 550hp isn't even as quick as the GS in the 1/4. What makes you think that a Boss with 100hp less can keep up?

First Test: 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302
Motor Trend, Mar 2011

We nearly broke 4.0 seconds to 60 (3.97 actually). Given a grippier launch surface, there is a 3.9 in this car.

And that was without TracKey and the Exhaust Baffles removed from the Quad exhaust.

2012 Boss Mustang $44,000 with the Torsen and Recaros but without TracKey and the Baffles removed, 0-60,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5eBwqiqMPU

What do thsoe Vettes cost? How many passengers can it hold? How big is the push-rod engine? How fast are Vettes for what weight?

Ask most Car Men and they will confirm that Corvettes are the biggest mooch magnets on the market. The reasons lie deep in the psyche of every red-blooded American male. The Toyota Camry may be the number one selling car in America, but no guy has ever dreamt about driving down the highway of life on a beautiful summer’s day with a blonde beside him in a Camry. The Corvette is an icon, the fiberglass version of “The Field of Dreams”: If you have one, she will come.

The problem with a ‘Vette is this: When you are young, more than likely you cannot afford the payment. Heck, you probably can't even afford the insurance on it. When you add those two payments together it is almost always a deal buster. And when you finely do find your blonde and marry her, a Corvette is out of the question. You can't put your honey along with a stack of groceries and a child car seat in a Corvette, but this still does not mean you would not give your left nut to have one. For some it becomes a life-long obsession.

There is an army of idiots out there that spend a good portion of their spare time lusting over a car they will never be able to pull the trigger and buy. They search the classified ads and car magazines. They do their unholy research on the Internet, and they pester Chevy dealers endlessly, trying desperately to find the Perfect One--the Corvette that has their name on it; the perfect seat for their obsessive ass. If by chance they happen to actually come across the perfect Corvette, that is when the trouble begins.

I am of the opinion that for a lot of people the act of looking for a Corvette is almost as satisfying as actually owning one. Just the mental pleasure of wanting one makes you a kind of surrogate Corvette owner without the burden of a high monthly payment. “I’m a Corvette guy!” you can say to yourself. You are looking for one, right? Looking is just one step away from buying, right? Therefore, you are a Corvette owner who just does not happen have a Corvette at the moment.

The Corvette mooch will never buy a car from you because the car he has captured in his twitchy imagination is a gleaming gem of automotive perfection, and no Corvette he will ever find can match up to this image. Even if he stumbles across one that is dangerously close to the Corvette of his dreams, he will have no choice but to make up imperfections. Because if he found that perfect, affordable ‘Vette it would mean he might actually have to buy it, and he certainly cannot have that!

This does not stop a mooch from coming onto your lot and wasting your time. He is as attracted to the siren call of the Corvette as a moth is to a flame. As he walks around the car, his heartbeat elevates, his palms become sweaty. He will try to bait you with hints about his high-paying union job. To further spice things up he might mention that he may even pay cash for the car. (Do not be fooled. He has $300 in his checking account.) This is all designed to achieve his ultimate goal: taking the plastic sled for a test drive. For if he takes the car for a drive and people see him driving it, he can pretend he owns it.

If he successfully lures you into his trap all is good until you get back to the dealership. That is when the excuses begin:

“Ah, gee, I wanted a 6-speed, and this one’s an automatic.”

Or, “I really wanted an automatic. Too bad this one’s a 6-speed.”

“This one is blue. I really wanted a red one with the optional wheels.”

“It has to have under 30,000 miles on it,” he insists. “This one has nearly 40,000. Just my luck!”

And if you could somehow magically produce one just the way he wants it, he would say without missing a beat, "Oh why couldn’t it be a convertible?"

“I’ll call the used car factory and have them make one up for you!” you want to scream.

Now I know there are guys who successfully sell Corvettes, just like I know there are guys who successfully sell Volvos. They must be steely-eyed Car Men, in my view. And I realize I have a bad attitude about this particular subject. God knows I have been accused of having a bad attitude about a lot of things on more than one occasion. But for the average Car Man, I speak the truth.

I hate Corvettes, and my advice to you is: stay away from them.

"Why even build this thing? It won't keep up with my 2010 ZR1 or even the new ZL1 Camaro. So who is going to buy it? Those who want to lose a race? It might beat a Challenger, but won't even run close with a ZR1 or ZL1. I could never figure Ford out.
Chevy Runs Deep."

Why not build it? Shouldn't there be several options for people to have when shopping for a sports car? In all fairness, Ford has one real "sports car" while Chevy has two. There are several versions of the Mustang to compete with Chevy's several versions of their Camaros AND Vettes. I'm no Ford fanboi but I have to call it like it is, this is still a good offering by Ford/Shelby. Hopefully they can put the power to the ground then it will be interesting to see.
just sayin..

yawnathin

Funny how the Chevy idiots conveniently forget to mention price for their dream Vettes and their so called superior performance, r-i-g-h-t, like the Cheater Tires Chevy offers with their $105,000 bang for the buck 2 seater, if you read my previous post Motor Trend attributed almost all the Vettes Superior Perfomance to Superior Tires, that's not fooling anybody except yawnathin. Lets do a little math to determine how much this Rip-Roaring superior performance is going to set you back,

ZO7 price as tested, $105,000

TaX & License, $10,000

Insurance with a clean record, $4000 annually and good luck to reckless yawnathin keeping that.

Factory Replacement Tires, $2000 annually

Finance Charges if not paying cash.

A garage to park it in.

No wonder the ZO6 is Chevy's least popular Vette having only produced 518 in 2010

$120,000 for a 2 seater that does 60 in 3.8s with Factory Cheater Sllicks.

The Chevy dreamboys are alive and well.

I'll take a $44,000 Boss Mustang or the not yet tested Shelby Mustang that'll go for $60,000 at the top of the page. Conservative Motor Trend did 60 in 3.7s and a 12.0s flat 1/4 mile in a bone stock GT350 and that was the 525 hp tune not the 624 hp tune, in a car that has the same chassis as the one at the top.

With all the hot air being said which includes bodyblue,powell_jr, No one here has raised the point of lighter cars,better MPG's,safer cars with better build quality. Gas prices are on the rise and now we have a HP war? Am I missing something? Ownership cost have also gone up even with a free oil change. Almost had a heart attack with the bill to service my GT-R. Does anyone know the true cost to own either a Mustang or Camaro? Hell even a Corvette over 4 yrs?

The Cadillac CTS-V is epa rated for 12 city with 556 hp and that's driving it economically, step on it and it will flush your gas tank like a toilet. The ZL1 is 4200 lbs with the same engine producing 580 hp and is also epa rated for 12 city and will flush your gas tank as bad if you step on it. Both of these gas suckers are subject to the gas guzzlers tax.

The 2011 GT500 has 550 hp and is epa rated for 15 city and is not subject to the gas guzzler tax.

The above GT500 is said to weigh 3850 with 650 hp, what is that in power to weight?
Ford also engineered the 650 hp 2013 Shelby Mustang so it's not subject to the gas guzzler tax, if you can believe that.
The ZL1 at 4200 has 580 hp and is not as forged as the Ford, and what is that in power to weight?

Shelby GT500 Honored in Edmunds.com's Lowest True Cost to Own Awards

True Cost to Own, or TCO, is the neat little name that Edmunds.com gives to all the data it crunches to come with the total expense of purchasing a vehicle new and owning for 5 years. Beyond the purchase price, taxes and fees, TCO takes into account insurance, maintenance, repair and depreciation costs.

And every year, Edmunds.com gives out Lowest True Cost to Own awards to vehicles in various price and market segments that put the least hurt on your wallet. You won't be surprised to learn that the Toyota Yaris and Honda Fit made the list in the under-$15,000 and under-$25,000 categories, respectively. But here's a surprise: The Ford Shelby GT500 is a winner, too -- in the Coupe Over $45,000 category.

2013 Shelby GT500 reveal at the LA Auto Show,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irwFzW4G8GQ

Man when Ford and Chevy guys get together it gets serious in a hurry, I have read most of the posts here, I agree with some, I disagree with some. I think what you have to come away with is that Ford continues to improve their cars, every year. With that being said if you don't like something about the current one, (wait). It will be addressed in the following year cars. The new GT500 is going to be amazing, that much power from a car that only costs 60K is crazy in itself, also the speculation that the car will go 200 mph is also equally crazy. I don't think that it will be faster than a ZO6, but I don't really care either, Chevy guys have always threw a 100K car at a 60K car to make themselves feel better. That being said both cars are great, just different. The Nissan GTR was also brought up,(also a great car,30K more though). Still not in the same price point is it? For pure bang for buck the GT500, and the Boss 302, have that sewn up. you are not going to be able to get those #'s out of a car for less than these 2 cars. I think it's funny they are both Fords. Good job Ford and thanks for continuing the tuning.

sohcammer: "The Cadillac CTS-V is epa rated for 12 city with 556 hp and that's driving it economically, step on it and it will flush your gas tank like a toilet."

Maybe you should ask actual V owners instead of hypothesizing based on nothing but your disdain for GM products? My V2 is a DD, driven "spiritedly", mostly city and I average 14.5MPG.

sohcammer is just a troll. He shouts out performance numbers comparing these Stangs to GM cars and when those numbers fall in favor of the GM car, then he complains inaccurately about pricing, cost of ownership, and MPG.

The ownership costs he mentioned for the Z06 above is ridiculous. Did he seriously use 'a garage to park it in' as a con in owning a Z06? The insurance number is way off base (4k a year? Haha). And he prices out the most expensive Z you can get, when all it takes is a the standard Z to walk a Boss. New Zs don't even touch MSRP/Price as Tested anyway and can be had for steep discount and lets not even talk about the great deals you can find on a mint Z in the pre-owned market. Common sense and sensible discussions cannot be had, he'll just talk about 'cheater slicks', an OEM option that anyone can get, that adds very little value to off the line acceleration, then he shows us a video of a Boss on Drag Radials and uses that as a reliable number. His sources are credible, everyone else's is not. He'll quote the 'worst' results GM car, but he'll find the most favorable result for the car he likes and not use typical numbers that more accurately represent both vehicles. Its just not possible for him to be sensible.

Anyway, in general, I feel that these new Mustangs are great and have tremendous value. I'm glad to see we are getting more choice as this will make other competitors step up, but in reality, they aren't even in the same class and or have the same purpose as the Vette or CTS-V. I don't know why this keeps getting compared and why sohcammer keeps getting butt hurt over this whole thing.

I'm all for the Ford vs GM debate, but seriously, most of you are acting like kids. You might as well resort to calling each other booger heads. Really, do you think anyone is going to lose depending on the car they choose? The difference between the ZL1 and this GT500 and any other car can always be distanced by the aftermarket. Sooooo many people have to come on here and bash ther other car when really the only winners will be the ones who take their pick and buy the car they like the most. Seriously the guys I meet at car shows are always giving props to each other, but all I find online is petty name calling and accusing each other of knowing nothing. I guess hiding behind the veil of the internet is the only way for you to show your true colors. For anyone who will really sit back and question the incredibly brilliant individuals who engineer these cars are truly the unintelligent cars. A lot of time and money goes into these cars, and for anyone who will sit back and say "oh but xxx car is faster" doesn't realize what incredible feats go on to engineer these cars under the strict budget of Ford or GM. I got a taste of this reading "Iron Fist, Lead Foot" a book about creating the 2003 Cobra.

In short, I've always been a huge Mustang fan, and my respect for any muscle or exotic right now is tremendous. Anyone who picks up the base line Mustang, Challenger or Camaro or the top of the line SVT, SRT or ZL1 will be a winner, no matter what. Some people who live a 1/4 mile at a time or on the track will always attest that your car will not remain stock, even if its the GTR so many of you have put up on the pedistal. And that is the fun of the car, not worrying about the "stock" times.

I know my rant was as good as talking to a wall, but grow up. Friendly debating is one thing, the childish people on here are a whole different group.

This is Chevy's fault for trying to maintain the ZR1 as the
flagship putting the smaller superchargers in the V and ZL1.
Now Ford just made a $55K mustang that'll slay $300K Ferraris
and run with Lambos. Making a good ol' Mustang GT that'll drop
supercars from the factory truly is an automotive performance
benchmark. Who knows though, Chevy comes out with new engines
every year. Maybe we'll be able to walk into a dealership and
buy a Camaro that'll do 220MPH stock for $40K and the euro marques
will get pissed good ol' boys in mustangs have badder bragging
rights than they do so their cars will have Veyron performance to
make sure that the kids in the Hondas can keep drooling over their
car and driver magazines and can keep telling the Mustang guys,
the Ferraris still faster!

Somebody may have put together a MSRP $105000 Z06, but a well loaded (with all the performance features) Z06 should cost about $88000 according to Edmunds, so sohcammer is blowing smoke out of his you know what when he uses the 105K price. I am also willing to bet that the new GT500 will not be available anywhere for less than $70000 for at least a year unless gas jumps over $5.00/gal. We will have to see what the new GT500 will do 0 to 60 in when it is tested, but Edmunds lists a 4.4 second time for the old GT500 and 3.9 for the Z06. That being said, I agree this is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. I really agree with zacharyt1122, most of you sound like you're still waiting to get out of 3rd grade. The Z06, GT500 and others listed here are great cars. You pay your money and take your choice. Attacking each other because you make different choices is just juvenile.

I have to admit im more a European sportscar fan but 650 hp and 200mph sounds cool it puts it past the viper even but at the same time though the Gt500 has never really impressed me it has always had 500+ hp but it was never really that fast the Gt in fact is as fast a Gt500. The GT500 mustangs sound more like some mans napoleonic complex that needs bragging rights. 0-60 in 4.6 seconds for a 550hp musclecar? Thats no faster than a 420hp Camaro, or for that a matter its only 2 tenths of a second faster than a 300hp 335i and slower than a 414 hp M3 even a1 series M is as fast that,as bragging rights it sounds cool but in all honesty its more ashame that a car needs that much power to achieve such small results. When Ford can make a car with uh hem "only" 450+hp 4000+ pound coupe outgun everything out there and a 0-60 time of 3.4 seconds (uh hem GTR) than ill be impressed other wise the GT500 is for the guys that need extendze...ill pass

Mustang has been been building racing experience for years.
How about those brakes on a race Camaro?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgP36kr2j3I

Zstupidman49
Motor Trend Best Drivers Car Comparison, price as tested ZO7 $105,000 and who are you to say otherwise?

This is my reason for going to college, i dont care if have to live in it, by the time im 24 i will own a 900hp 2015 GT500. but seriously, i cant die without driving one of these.

The 05 Ford GT ran a 7:40.6 on the Ring. Lets see this new mustang beat that time..