Maserati knows how to play the poor cousin/forgotten stepchild role. It has been making do with second-hand Ferrari engines and chassis architecture for years. Lately, it's kind of working. The 4.2-liter and 4.7-liter V8s in the current model line are light on low-end torque, but they have a lot of personality at high rpm and make sweet sounds.
We wouldn't say anything like that about the 3.6-liter version of Chrysler's Pentastar V6, but sources close to Maserati tell Inside Line that the GranTurismo and Quattroporte are going to lose their V8s in favor of a twin-turbocharged, 3.0-liter version of the Pentastar. Our own Mark Takahashi reports that he "died a little" while creating the image for this post.
In other rumored news, our ear to the ground in Europe tells us that the next iteration of the Ferrari FXX will use a twin-turbo 4.0-liter V8 making about 750 hp. The last FXX had a normally aspirated 6.3-liter V12 rated around 789 hp.
So, uh, forced induction... can it make the Pentastar good enough for a Maserati?
breif says:
04:10 AM, 06/ 9/11
FI engines never seem to sing those sweet songs that high-revving Ferrari V8's do.
That is what makes those cars.
teampenske3 says:
05:00 AM, 06/ 9/11
The next FXX seems to being going back to the formula Enzo used in the F40. That looks to be interesting and probably very cool. I don't feel the Pentastar to be appropriate for the Maser. V6 is fine (see Dino) but this might lead to another Merak. If they can build a bespoke V6 for Maserati, that would be far better than a twin-turbo version of the same engine that's in an Avenger. Citroen tried something similar with the Merak, failing miserably. Let's not try it again.
captainvw says:
05:19 AM, 06/ 9/11
Is a twin-turbo Pentastar V6 good enough for Maserati? I sure hope so, because if its a hit it will only be a matter of time before twin-turbo goodness makes its way into Chryslers offerings, which could be very fun indeed
haole says:
05:34 AM, 06/ 9/11
"Our own Mark Takahashi reports that he "died a little" while creating the image for this post"
lol!
What is the reliability going to be like with all these turbo motors coming out? Are modern tubos reliable enough to easily pass 100k to 200k miles or will they need to be replaces?
standingwave says:
05:54 AM, 06/ 9/11
I die a little inside every time i see the old Chrysler TC by Maserati...I find it helps if I squent my eyes and pretend its a Cadillac Allanté...but not much.
seppoboy says:
07:14 AM, 06/ 9/11
My engine-geek engineer buddy gives serious respect to the Pentastar engine. He has some quibbles with details, but considers it by far the best basic design of a V6 to come out of Detroit, and fully on par with other world-class engines. I'm not qualified to pass judgment, but he tells me the basics are done well, and that there is considerable upgrade potential for future development.
Maserati could have done worse, I suppose. The economics require that they have a collaborated or outsourced engine.
revn says:
07:40 AM, 06/ 9/11
Man, everyone just loves to slap turbos on everything nowadays.
That Pentastar is an impressive little engine, no doubt about it. This might not be such a bad idea after all.
"Our own Mark Takahashi reports that he "died a little" while creating the image for this post."
Ha. Coulda been even better (or worse, depending on how you look at it) if ya threw the new Chrysler bar logo thing above the grille too.
stovt001 says:
08:12 AM, 06/ 9/11
For the reasons expressed by the two posters above and captainvw, I want to hope this goes well, but similar scenarios have not gone well in the past. Hopefully trying the same thing again will yield different results this time.
And I suspect this isn't the first time Takahashi has died it little doing a photochop for you guys.
lostboyz says:
08:13 AM, 06/ 9/11
Maybe mr. takahashi should get real. There may be nothing sweeter than a high revving ferrari v8, but what I like in a car is an engine that actually has some reliability and doesn't cost a new civic for regular maintanence. The pentastar is a great engine, and turning down displacement to up the boost could prove to be a very powerful combination.
greenpony says:
10:21 AM, 06/ 9/11
"Hopefully trying the same thing again will yield different results this time."
lol. There's an Einstein (or maybe Ben Franklin?) quote that goes something like that.
campi3ell says:
11:39 AM, 06/ 9/11
So a twin-turbo v6 for the base model...
and maybe another v8 for higher models? maybe similar architecture to the engine that will power the next Viper?
campi3ell says:
11:46 AM, 06/ 9/11
So a twin-turbo v6 for the base model...
and maybe another v8 for higher models? maybe similar architecture to the engine that will power the next Viper?
coolb944 says:
12:55 PM, 06/ 9/11
Rebirth of the Biturbo.
There certainly is history between Maserati and turbos. The predecessor to the Coupe and Spyder, the 3200, had a pretty nice twin turbo V8 as I remember, and I liked the TT V6 in the Biturbo I had for a short time. Hopefully they match quick and high revving with the smaller displacement. And it would be cool if they brought back the boomerang taillights of the 3200 too.
isaacl says:
01:02 PM, 06/ 9/11
whoa now....lets go ahead and stop using Pentastar and reliability in the same sentence until 2 or 3 years go by. Once it has proven itself after being out on the streets for a little while, THEN we can begin the practice.
starliner54 says:
01:32 PM, 06/ 9/11
Reports in the Italian press speak about the Pentastar being used in a future Maserati CUV, and in a future lower cost car model, but not replacing V8 engines in the top car models. The engine may also see use in some Alfa models as well, and a variety of displacements are coming.
inlinesix says:
02:50 PM, 06/ 9/11
lostboyz says:
"Maybe mr. takahashi should get real. There may be nothing sweeter than a high revving ferrari v8, but what I like in a car is an engine that actually has some reliability and doesn't cost a new civic for regular maintanence."
The Pentastar line was launched for model year 2011 vehicles. Saying they are reliable is a nice thought but maybe you need to "get real". If Chrysler historically made reliable cars across the board (Ive owned 4 in the last 15 years) then the comment might fly but...they dont. Nice try.
gtrguy2012 says:
03:56 PM, 06/ 9/11
Pentstar V6 Turbo would make sense in a challenger or charger, but in a Maserati??? I don't know about that.
bestjinjo says:
03:58 PM, 06/ 9/11
Somehow I don't see this happening on flagship Maserati models for 2 reasons:
1) By sharing engines/engine components with Maserati, Ferrari is able to amortize the developments costs for their manufacturing equipment, etc.
2) Maserati is a very upscale brand, competing with the likes of Audi R8 and Aston Martin. Part of the branding of Maserati is that it's a more luxurious/less hardcore Ferrari. But if it starts shipping with Chrysler engines, how is that at all related to Ferrari?
I am thinking these engines may be used in other models, but not the flagship GT. At least, I sure hope so.
lostboyz says:
04:34 PM, 06/ 9/11
@inlinesix, I don't care how bad chrysler ever was, exotic motors are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to reliability. The only reason you don't see it is because generally put about 1000 miles a year on a ferrari.
Regardless, they are probably just using the block and layout as they are very high tech and regarded highly in the industry.
You should also consider that nobody releases a new engine without running a fleet nearly 24 hours a day for mileage accumulation to speed up reliability studies. That doesn't count engine dynos w/ and w/o climate chambers. I don't have figures but I would guess that engine related failures on any car are extremely low compared to electronics or transmissions.
nonohonda says:
07:32 AM, 06/10/11
The new Maseratis better be alot freakin cheaper.....
A Chrysler V6 in a Maserati? That is so very sad.
Now if you want to put a TT Pentastar V6 in a Challenger and take a bunch of weight out of the front end..... I'm listening.
chryslerholic says:
07:54 PM, 06/10/11
I don't get it. Maserati should be Twin-Turboing their own engines. Depending on how they use the Pentastar-V-6, as far as how much they upgrade it to be alot better then the plan Turbo. The Value if the Maserati will go down. I hope the SRT vehicles get this Twin-Turbo treatment. Which im sure they will.
autoscribesman says:
09:54 AM, 06/12/11
Good lord. Guess its bye bye Maserati :(
The main redeeming element of their notoriously maintenance prone, quickly depreciating, sedan and coupe is the roar of that Ferrari V8.