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IL Track Tested: 2011 Jaguar XJL Supercharged

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Inside Line tests hundreds of vehicles a year, but not every vehicle gets a full write-up. The numbers still tell a story, though, so we present "IL Track Tested." It's a quick rundown of all the data we collected at the track, along with comments direct from the test drivers. Enjoy.

You might have thought the Jaguar XJ had finally gone off and died. After years of laying low with forgettable styling and unremarkable performance, the big Jaguar sedan is back. This time its styling borders are shocking and, now that we've run the numbers, its performance is shocking, too.
 
Not that the big Jaguar sedan was slow. It always had enough supercharged guts to keep up with the big guns from Germany, but the rest of the package lacked sizzle. It looked rather dull and drove like it, too.

Along with its new looks, the 2011 Jaguar XJ got a new engine lineup that includes three levels of power. The base 5.0-liter V8 is normally aspirated while the two upgrade engines use a supercharger. Our test car was the midgrade XJL Supercharged rated at 470 horsepower and 424 pound-feet of torque. Combined with a reasonable curb weight and well-tuned suspension, this XJ proved to be more than just another big luxo-cruiser. See for yourself after the jump.


Jaguar XJL Supercharged BMW M5 Mercedes E63 AMG
0-45 mph 3.1 3.6 3.2
0-60 mph 4.5 4.8 4.6
0-75 mph 6.3 6.6 6.5
0-60 mph with roll out 4.2 4.5 4.3
1/4 mile 12.6 @ 112.4 12.8 @ 115.1 12.7 @ 112.4
30-0 mph 27.0 29.0 31.0
60-0 mph 106.0 110.0 114.0
Skid pad 0.84 0.88 0.90
Slalom 63.2 68.9 68.8
As-tested weight 4,341 4,140 4,341
Price as tested $90,500 $96,020 $102,245

Editors' Note: The above test data was not gathered on the same day using the same driver as is our protocol in full comparison tests.


Vehicle: 2011 Jaguar XJL Supercharged
Odometer: 1,810
Date: 7/13/2010
Driver: Chris Walton
Base MSRP (with destination): $90,500
Options on test vehicle: Caviar Metallic, Burl Walnut Veneer ($0), Leather Steering Wheel ($0), Canvas Headliner ($0)
Price as Tested: $90,500


Specifications:
Drive Type: Rear-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed automatic
Engine Type: Supercharged, direct-injected V8
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 5,000/305
Redline (rpm): 6,800
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 470 @ 6,000-6,500
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 424 @ 2,500-5,500
Brake Type (front): 15-inch ventilated cast-iron discs with 2-piston sliding calipers
Brake Type (rear): 14.8-inch solid cast-iron discs with single-piston sliding calipers
Steering System: Hydraulic-assist, speed-proportional variable-ratio rack-and-pinion steering
Suspension Type (front): Independent double wishbones, coil springs, self-adjusting two-mode variable dampers, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent multilink, coil springs, self-adjusting two-mode variable dampers, stabilizer bar
Tire Size Front: 245/40ZR20 99Y
Tire Size Rear: 275/35ZR20 102Y (32 psi cold spec)
Tire Brand: Dunlop
Tire Model: SP Sport MAXX GT
Tire Type: Asymmetrical Summer performance
Wheel Size (front/rear): 20-by-9 inches front, 20-by-10 inches rear
Wheel Material (front/rear): Cast aluminum
Curb Weight, as tested (lb): 4,341


Test Results:
0 - 30 (sec): 1.9
0 - 45 (sec): 3.1
0 - 60 (sec): 4.5
0 - 75 (sec): 6.3
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 12.6 @ 112.4
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 4.2
30 - 0 (ft): 27
60 - 0 (ft): 106
Slalom (mph): 63.2 (62.3 TC on)
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.84 (0.80g TC on)
Db @ Idle: 42.4
Db @ Full Throttle: 74.1
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 66.9


Acceleration Comments: Fairly unobtrusive traction control -- only a slight stumble. Disabling traction control for a run makes only a slight difference and requires diligence and prudence. There's so much torque that the rear tires light at just 2,000 rpm. Also noticed that if the rears spin at all, the car short-shifts to 2nd gear. Tried one run in manual mode but tachometer is too slow to properly anticipate redline. Upshifts in "s" are fast and smooth. Impressively rapid limo.


Braking Comments: Tremendously powerful brakes with medium-firm pedal and appropriate jump-in. Excellent fade-resistance and true-stability.


Handling Comments: Skid pad: For some reasons, the XJ circled (ever-so-slightly) better in the clockwise direction with driver outboard. This is odd, but shows some sort of uncanny balance. Steering is lightly loaded but remains informative and tactile. With stability on, the throttle closes before brakes are used. Slalom: Remarkably crisp turn-in with buttery smooth action. The car feels smaller, lighter than it obviously is, however, it's easy to run over cones with the rear tires. Well-tuned ESC only dabs a brake to good effect then returns control to the driver.

 

 

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66 Comments

blueguydotcom says:

09:17 PM, 07/20/10

It's funny, I'm usually willing to overlook a car's poor styling but there's something so purposely boring/lame about this car (and the manufacturer) that I can't help but laugh everytime I see one on the road. It lacks any style or road presence. It's like Kia built a 90k sedan.

slickersdrip says:

09:23 PM, 07/20/10

That's pretty impressive on the numbers, especially considering the size of the thing. I haven't yet seen one on the road, but I really hope to soon.

blueguy-- I can definitely see the Amanti styled taillights as far as Kia goes... but otherwise I think the XJ has the "new" styling cue of the XF... the XF being far more intriguing to me. I'd be getting a CTS-V if I was into a car in this price class.

kyolml says:

09:29 PM, 07/20/10

should it be more inline with S63 for direct competitor? Although the #s are better than M5.

lexusaddict says:

09:40 PM, 07/20/10

This beauty looks even better in person, up close and personal. However...this is made for the S63, the 760Li, even the Continental Flying Spur. M5? E63? C'mon...that's XF-R territory.

firstwagon says:

09:43 PM, 07/20/10

"that I can't help but laugh everytime I see one on the road."

How many have you seen on the road yet?

I think it looks great, way ahead of anything German.

lexuslvr says:

09:47 PM, 07/20/10

I believe Edmunds knows what car this competes with. What they are showing is that this larger weaker car handily mops the floor with these so called mid-size super sports sedans. Its performance is amazing given its output. Its also sexier than the M5 and E63 not to mention the S63 and 760i/B7.

Can Jaguar please give this engine to the Aston Martin Rapide?

rollk says:

09:51 PM, 07/20/10

@blueguydotcom

If by "road presence" you mean tacky Audi LED lights, over sized and pretentious Mercedes chrome or stereotypical bland BMW styling, then yes, the Jag lacks presence.

I think the car pulls off having a very unique look while remaining understated and not too in-your-face. Not to mention the interior is like nothing in its class - it breaks all the mold that the Big Three have fallen into.

Yes, the rear end doesn't appeal to everybody, but there's something about it as an entire package that gains my respect... kind of the same quality Citroen has I suppose.

93aero says:

09:54 PM, 07/20/10

This car is pretty, not to mention fast. Not a fan of the rear pillar, works if the car is black.....which, really, is the only color youd want....sexy as hell...love the instrument panel set up, clever and refreshing.

icecubefosho says:

10:01 PM, 07/20/10

An XJL zoomed past me on the tollway the other day in a clean white paint (not cream). It looked FAR better in person than in pictures.

Saying the XJ lacks style must be a joke.

mercedesfan says:

11:10 PM, 07/20/10

I just saw one of these on the highway the other day. It's truly far better looking in person than in photos. I would never call it beautiful (nothing in this class is), but it is intriguing and unique. It has good road presence and doesn't look like anything else on the road.

Having said that, although I know the XJL would absolutely mop the floor with my S550 in terms of performance, when the time comes to replace my aging companion (the Benz) there is no question who will be getting my business. I just don't trust Jaguar quality and my S has been flawless for 4 years and and 80K+ miles. To me, that's far more important in a daily driver than sleek lines and a potent engine.

mrjost55 says:

12:19 AM, 07/21/10

I love this car, it looks amazing on the road

adam_xj220 says:

12:20 AM, 07/21/10

Quarter mile in 12.6 seconds?
Thats as fast as an R8 V8!

I wonder what the shorter wheelbase XJ Supersports (with ~510hp) quarter-mile is?

WasAPasserBy says:

12:44 AM, 07/21/10

@blueguy

I can only imagine (and hope) that you must be thinking of the old 2004-2009 XJ. Nothing about the styling on 2011 XJ says lame or boring.

blueguydotcom says:

01:05 AM, 07/21/10

Seen a few in the Del Mar area and they're just a shrug. My wife thought one was an old Ford of some kind from the 90s. It really is just an amorphous car in person. Sort of an even blander version of the already weakly styled Quattroporte.

The XF definitely screams late 90s Taurus to me. This...there's just something kinda of gaping-mouth, no-style about the front, sides and rear of the car. Like, I said, it has the presence of a Kia - all sorts of styles (modern, classic, retro, tacky) jumbled up.

travai says:

02:00 AM, 07/21/10

.... someone just said that Maserati's (admittedly aging) Quattroporte is "weakly styled". WOW.

streetster says:

02:31 AM, 07/21/10

@blueguydotcom ---- ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? The three most well-styled sedans on sale right now (XJ, XF, Quattroporte) are ugly for you? Comparing any of those cars to a 90s Ford/Taurus or a Kia should be a federal crime. I resurrected my centuries old account just to comment on this.

scottyscooter says:

02:38 AM, 07/21/10

*shrug*

Everyone has their opinion I guess. I like the styling.

ryrybugatti22 says:

02:51 AM, 07/21/10

@blueguydotcom- U SAID WHAT NOW?????? evryone has they're own opinions but really this is one of the best looking lux cars on the road rite now! i REALLY REALLY hope u were talking about the old XJ which really had been aging since 1980 bcuz this is an amazing halo car for jag

scorp76 says:

03:24 AM, 07/21/10

What's with all the indignation at one man's opinion? Styling is subjective, ladies, calm down or pop some Midol. There isnt one single car on the road that everyone finds beautiful, and this thing is certainly no exception.

I always figured I'd be the last person in the world to agree with this blueguy dude, but on this I have to give him a high-five; the xj is a ridiculous eyesore, the xf is just blah bland, and the 4porte has always reminded me of a Buick.

scorp76 says:

03:31 AM, 07/21/10

These numbers prove once again that anyone can build a fast car, by slapping on a s/c or turbo, and they can make it stop quickly, by throwing on some big brakes, but, not everyone can make a fast car that can handle better than the average family sedan. Sad; I guess jag forgot that the road occasionally curves.

sportyaccordy says:

04:10 AM, 07/21/10

scorp76 I agree... that thing looked hopelessly lost in the slalom

I wonder how a Benz with ABC or a Bimmer w/the sports package would look out there. This car screams 'hire a driver and enjoy my back seat!', not 'lets go for a mountain run', which is fine. I just think it's funny how great IL trumps up its handling to be.

turtle99 says:

04:52 AM, 07/21/10

The 0-60 performance is amazing, but somehow slalom is way behind M5 and E63. I am eager to see the same kind of comparison between XJL, S63 and 760Li. By looking at the data between the same class cars, we can see how the size of a car affects the slalom. I personally think 0-60 and slalom are the two main indicators of real life driving capability. (we may need to look at more numbers for German market where there is no speed limit.)

New XJ (XJL) definitely lost the traditional (classic) look of old XJ. Jaguar tried to combine sportiness to the traditional look, but it came out to be closer to sportiness at the end. Customers in this class must have liked the classic look of old XJ with not bad performance. With the new XJ(XJL), the differentiation in the look appears weakened, and the competition could get harsh in performance aspect. That's why it would be interesting to see the direct performance comparison between XJL, S63 and 760Li. XJL's pricing looks modest compared to S63 and 760Li, doesn't it?

Why did some of you mention Hyundai/Kia? Currently they are not playing against each other.

ahightower says:

06:12 AM, 07/21/10

Bigger, faster, and cheaper than M5 and E63??? I love it. I still don't "get" the styling completely, but nothing in this set is really drop-dead gorgeous any more, except for the Quattroporte.

pontneuf2503 says:

06:20 AM, 07/21/10

Blueguy:

You have no taste, no sense of style, and now, no credibility.

platf1 says:

06:52 AM, 07/21/10

Inside Line: Long Term Test. NOW.

I figure once Tata has fully immersed itself in JLR, they'll do something about the slow electronics (since the touchscreen is a pain and apparently so is the instrument panel).

But my goodness. It's a beautiful car. Does lean quite a bit in corners though.

PS: Blueguy is not of this world.

lions208487 says:

07:25 AM, 07/21/10

With it's nice clean lines, this car is beautiful. I will say this though; at almost 30k less and better numbers I can buy a CTS-V and be just as satisfied with luxary and performance. This Jag is still outstanding, and I would be proud to have this as an alternative.

breadwagon says:

07:47 AM, 07/21/10

The front of the car is purrrfect (jag is a cat duh!). However, the rear doesn't do it for me when your more than 5 feet away from it or looking at a 3/4 profile. The blacked out rear pillars seem almost out of place, and the rear trunk/lights look like they ran out of time when they designed it. But, once you get close to the rear, it starts to look magnificent.
I sat in one and it was one of the nicest interiors I've ever sat in. I would say better than most mercs/bmws out there in terms of feel and ambiance.
It's a great underrated car that isn't TOO mainstream. I think it's the best lux boat in terms of style. Go Jag!

jeepsrt says:

07:49 AM, 07/21/10

Other than the performance, add me to the group of those not impressed with the styling indside and out. My Parents have had Jags since the 70's and they always had an understated elegance, this and the XF are too Japanese looking.

designsells says:

08:34 AM, 07/21/10

Hey blueguydotcom, do you work for BMW or Mercedes? I doubt you have you even seen and XJS on the road. I live in Manhattan -- probably where most will be sold -- and have only seen three since they hit the market.
Curious to know of those three brands, BMW, Mercedes and Jag, which one is the style leader in your mind?

half_ton says:

08:40 AM, 07/21/10

Judging by many of the posts on IL I think the CTS V is the defacto standard for ultra high performance at "reasonable" prices. The V has been mentioned here, 1487 brought it up during the review of the the new Infiniti M and I've seen it several other times also.

Back to the Jag though; I haven't seen it on the road yet so I can't fuly comment on the looks but but the specs of this car are IMPRESSIVE! I would love to drive one!

mazda609 says:

08:55 AM, 07/21/10

I happened to see a black one of these when it was getting dark and the car looks simply stunning with some lights reflecting off of it. I must say that this car is on top of my list when it comes to styling.

blueguydotcom says:

09:01 AM, 07/21/10

@designsells,

Not a fan of any of the designs. MB and BMW are tied for so-so looking cars. Jaguar's attempts are a joke. And I don't doubt Manhattan gets many luxury autos but compared to So Cal (where the car is a fashion statement)

I see the new Jags and this is another car that comes to mind:

http://pdfarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/buick_lacrosse.jpg

inlinesix says:

09:11 AM, 07/21/10

In general the new Jags look miles beyond the company's previous cars. The XF is a very nice looking car on the road. The XJL has some of the same curves so I can't call it ugly or boring.

hp9302 says:

09:21 AM, 07/21/10

Performance is amazing, more so considering it's a big luxury sedan. The gorgeous styling is simply icing on the cake.

fuhteng says:

09:23 AM, 07/21/10

I saw one (a white XJL supercharged) in person at a dealership (I was there to drool over the Boxster Spyder they had out front). I didn't much care for it. I must prefer the XF it was sitting next to. That grill is huge. It looks like it could eat a Prius. But I may not be the best judge because I don't think the Panamera is hideous, just fat.

mayback says:

09:29 AM, 07/21/10

I dream to see a challenge between AlpinaB7/MB S63/Panamera Turbo/Jag XJ Supersport, Next Audi S8!!!!!

felonious says:

09:31 AM, 07/21/10

This thread is fun! Thanks for stirring the pot, blueguy. :)

I'm curious, what cars do you find to be exceptionally styled? That will give us some reference as to your tastes.

fordfrenzy says:

09:39 AM, 07/21/10

YOU GERMANS ARE IN BIGGGG TROUBLE IF YOU NOTICED THIS WAS A SUPERCHARGED MODEL NOT THE SUPERSPORTS ALSO IT WAS THE HEAVIER LONG WILL BASED MODEL NOT THE SHORT ONE AND TO TURN OUT IMPRESSIVE NUMBERS LIKE THIS WOW ITS ONLY A TENTH SLOWER THEN YOUR 5.0 MUSTANG ITS FASTER THEN YOU CAMARO BOYS AND WE NOT EVEN GONNA GET ON CHALLENGER....I WANT ENDMUNDS TO REALLY PUT AN EGG ON IT AND FRY IT WITH A SUPERSPORT SHORT WHEEL BASE MODLE IM WILLING TO BET THAT WITH 510 HP ON TAP AND A LO CURB WEIGHT IT WILL DO 60 IN 4.2 AND HIT .87G ON THE SKID PAD THATS MY BET THANKS TO SOLD PARENT FORD JAGUAR IS THE NEW UP AND COMING OLD CAR COMPANY.

wrinklebump says:

09:48 AM, 07/21/10

I don't mind it but CTS-V please. More presence, more aggression, more speed

dougtheeng says:

09:58 AM, 07/21/10

crickey, the man is entitled to an opinion! He wasn't rude or arrogant about it, like people often are on here. I don't agree with him, but I certainly don't see the need for such ranting, lol.

I personally liked the traditional style of the previous model. To me, its something that should never change because its so quintessentially British. It doesn't need to try and be an S-Class or 7-Series, because its a Jag. But thus is life.

the_stig says:

10:01 AM, 07/21/10

blueguydotcom is just a repressed Ford fanboy, because Ford doesn't have a rival for this car.

And why the hell some of you are bringing the CTS-V to the discussion? Oh I know... it's because like Ford, GM doesn't have a rival for this car, either.

So you know... you've got to downplay what you don't have and talk up what you do, even if it is as ludicrous as it gets to compare a luxury sedan with a luxury sedan.

Tsk, tsk... Losers.

coolb944 says:

10:07 AM, 07/21/10

Insideline really chose the wrong cars to compare this to. The XJ is a size class above the E and 5, which the XF competes with. If anything, you'd want to compare this trim to an S600, 760Li, LS600h L, and A8L W12. Those are long wheelbase cars that would have a motor that puts up similar or better numbers, but has the chassis length and suspension tuning to more accurately compare to this trim level.

Also, you all complaining about the handling, you forget this is the mid-grade trim level with more of a luxury slant, and it still holds up pretty well to what would be considered true sports sedans rather than large fast luxo-cruisers.

I'm sure the XJL Supersport offers even more incredible performance (it should with 510hp), and combine that with the shorter wheelbase model, and it will undoubtedly keep pace with the smaller cars listed here in terms of handling and easily smoke them in accleration, not to mention blowing the doors off of the S63, S8, and the B7.

Styling is subjective, yes, and those who dislike Jag's new styling direction are entitled to feel that way, but I have heard far more "OHHHHHs" and "AHHHHHs" at the new Jags than not. And add me to that camp. I've seen the new XJ at the LA Auto Show, and a few out on the road, and it is simply captivating for me. Given I had the money to buy a large luxury sedan, it'd be this one hands down. Especially love the interior, which is beautifully crafted and detailed. Add in the Bowers & Wilkins stereo for the audiophiles, and it's a home run for me.

ocramidajzj says:

10:18 AM, 07/21/10

Very pretty car. If I had 100K I'd probably consider it. For that money I'd also consider a Maserati. I do like what Jaguar has been doing with their styling though.

exnevadan says:

10:29 AM, 07/21/10

saw an XJ on the road last week and thought, wow what a huge, stylish sedan, especially compared to Audi (boring), MB (BORING), BMW (ugly) and Porsche (UGLY).

seeing the performance numbers makes it even more impressive. with proper suspsension tuning the Jag will be top dog by a wide margin.

mercedesfan says:

10:40 AM, 07/21/10

I might have to retract my earlier comment about the XJL "mopping the floor with my S550". I just looked up the Edmunds performance data for the last S550 they tested and it pulled 0.87g on the skid pad and threaded the slalom at 63.4mph (it had ABC). I have no doubt the Jag is a more communicative and responsive car, but I have to give MB some credit here. On another note, the BMW 750Li must absolutely destroy the XJL in performance testing if the Benz is slightly better.

icecubefosho says:

11:02 AM, 07/21/10

Mercfan,

Do you mean the 760Li? The 750li doesn't seem to perform too stellar if you refer to this article, albeit its the short wheelbase edition, but still comparable and it should perform better than the Li.
http://www.insideline.com/bmw/7-series/2009/2009-bmw-750i-full-test-and-video.html

Even then, the V12 in the 760Li is going to hold it down with its sheer weight and gets 0-60 times at the same time as the Jag (As BMW specs show). For the money, an XJL Supersport could be had, and I'm sure that could fare very well against a 760li.

I'd love to see a comparison of these large cars, with the A8 being the closest to the XJ thanks to their aluminum designs for lighter weight.

I'd also love to see any iteration of the XJ in the IL Fleet, considering I am looking at them currently but not going to buy one until I see how the reliability fares. The Jalopnik incident with their XF-R doesn't bode well.

blueguydotcom says:

11:59 AM, 07/21/10

@the_stig,

Does Ford still make cars? I thought they went out of business after the Exploder started rolling. :)

ptcdawg says:

12:50 PM, 07/21/10

Great looking cars...outside and especially INSIDE...

sgude says:

01:00 PM, 07/21/10

@ FORDFRENZY -- PLEASE STOP YELLING

Blueguydotcom is entitled to his opinion. He has always had posts that seemed well-thought out and reasonable. But on this, I think the new XJ has a very nice road presence, but then I've only seen it in black. I wonder how a lighter color would look on the road.

porschecarrera says:

02:23 PM, 07/21/10

Totally agree with blueguydotcom. I think this Jag looks like a stretched out Infiniti J30 with a bit more chrome. If I had the choice, I would rather drive the M5 or E63.

desmolicious says:

02:36 PM, 07/21/10

Anyone else notice the front of the car bobbing up and down at the end of the brake tests, as if the dampers were worn?

bearsdkillz says:

05:36 PM, 07/21/10

blueguydotcom

don't hate something just because you can never have it. This car exudes beauty and elegance. If you call this bland then what exactly is a good looking car in your book?

Your ignorance and lies humor me.

ryrybugatti22 says:

06:29 PM, 07/21/10

a far better comparison would hav been the XJ SuperSports, the Alpina B7, and the S63 AMG; maybe even a bentley Continental Flying Spur Speed. If u can afford the Jag, then the Bentley's price shouldn't be tht big a deal.

bigjoe19 says:

07:45 PM, 07/21/10

I own an '04 XJ8 and have test driven the new XJ. Jag has clearly gone the way of its competitors in terms of "toys" for the new XJ. Performance is outstanding. I understand that they need to compete with BMW, Mercedes et al, but I would have (selfishly) preferred a more modest evolution of the previous model in terms of styling. Understated class and beauty... I'm afraid those days are over at Jag.

margod117 says:

08:45 PM, 07/21/10

For the first time on a couple days ago i got to see this car in person.... ITS A BIG BOY ahaha and weird lookin very different i applaud the new Jag =)

frazier500 says:

09:34 PM, 07/21/10

@Bigjoe19

You're right, understated class and beauty is gone. Jaguar is now going for an aggressive look. Why? Because they were about to bankrupt themselves with the old styling. No one was buying them anymore. It was time for a new look.

I like this car a lot, to say the least.

ohdavelee says:

12:23 AM, 07/22/10

@blueguydotcom - I see an XF supercharged everyday in a weak sandy bronze color (not a favorite) and still think it's attractive. Not sure I get what your taste is, but I'm sure I wouldn't agree.

mrbenyong says:

01:31 AM, 07/22/10

very impressed with the figures.... i really am. i always thought badly of jag, but now things are different. i can even imagine myself in one sometime in the future. im sure many here feel that way.

i am a BMW guy, dont like lexus, dont like audi and their FWD cars... never warmed up to merc too (altho they are improving fast since splitting from chrysler.

so its mainly bmw for me. and now, jag...... if only they didnt have that silly plastic interioirs, esp in the XF with that rotating AC.... come on its a car not some show toy.

500rwhp says:

08:00 AM, 07/22/10

@blueguydotcom, you haven't spent much time in Manhattan. Every third (non-taxi# car is an S-class. MAybe the S-class isn't a luxury car to you, but I'd be interested to know what is, if a high-end Mercedes #which often costs more than the Jaguar in question). The performance certainly isn't anything to scoff at!

As for Jaguar quality, my 2005 S Type R has been to the shop all of once for repair, with 70k miles. It's a good car, but before you dig my tastes, I bought it for the value of performance/cost. It's not perfect, but the new generation of Jaguar cars has improved most of the flaws evident to me in my S Type.

As for styling, I personally miss the distinctive English looks. The new XF resembles a Lexus GS to me from many angles. The new XJ is beautiful and distinctive, but it's proportions are overstated to my eye. We will all see how it ages.

cbrandi says:

08:11 AM, 07/22/10

Recently had an opportunity to test drive the new XJ supercharged, short-wheel based version. First I rode in the backseat, what a magnificant place to be. You'd have to be in a Bentley or Rolls to duplicate the sense of elegance and comfort. Real leather, soft and smooth, not that brittle stuff you have to pay extra for in a BMW.

Next I drove the car, serene speed and a sense of being a master of all. What power, it seemed unlimited, smooth and continuous, as the speedometer swings upward. Handling and brakes make it all drama free, a car for the person who has arrived and doesn't feel the need to copy the crowd. Now I only have to count my pennies and convince my other half that our 2009 is in need of replacement.

05redrex says:

01:29 PM, 07/22/10

Would love to see the notes on the other cars too. Was the M5 6 speed or SMG? TC on / off? Launch control used? etc.

jaggyboy says:

08:43 PM, 07/22/10

Wow...after reading these comments...I HAD to jump in!
Yes...the new XJ is a HUGE let down. Sadly Jaguar did not stay current over the years and got left behind with design tweaks. And in playing "catch-up" they hired Ian Cullum to shake things up.
What I hate is that he did not take into account Jaguars history and the lineage with some of the details that made the XJ special for 30+ years.
I live in Atlanta and see dozens of Panameras, Quatt's, S class, 7 series BMW's, and A8's daily.
Finally a few XJ's are now cruising around as well. And speaking from experience the looks are a let down.
It looks new and refreshing now...for a Kia or Nissan...NOT Jaguar.
The C-pillar is a joke.
The size feels nice when its an XJL version. The short ones are cheap looking.
Here are some inages of the details Jag SHOULD have kept....
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3833771

jaggyboy says:

08:48 PM, 07/22/10

and can someone tell me why the front diffuser in the pic above is jagged and not straight across?
Its very distracting. $@$% you Ian.

return:
the 4 separate headlamps,
vertical fender vent,
mono wiper,
fog lamps,
forward opening hood...and THEN I will buy one. Until then...Maserati 4porte..here I come.

ryrybugatti22 says:

12:26 AM, 07/26/10

@jaggyboy- the whole point in redesigning the XJ was to MOVE FORWARD! I bet Ian designed the car like this bcuz the XJ has been aging since it hit the 10 year mark and its needed a redo FOREVER! Btw ur post is redundant! u say that jag got left behind in design and then u say that they didnt keep the details that made the XJ special for the past THIRTY YEARS! Who wants a car that looks like it got left in the 60's?????

ryrybugatti22 says:

12:27 AM, 07/26/10

@jaggyboy- the whole point in redesigning the XJ was to MOVE FORWARD! I bet Ian designed the car like this bcuz the XJ has been aging since it hit the 10 year mark and its needed a redo FOREVER! Btw ur post is redundant! u say that jag got left behind in design and then u say that they didnt keep the details that made the XJ special for the past THIRTY YEARS! Who wants a car that looks like it got left in the 60's?????

but i agree on the forward opening hood.... THAT would b SICK

jaggyboy says:

08:40 AM, 07/26/10

@ryrybugatti22...what I meant was this: You can design a car for the future using design cues and DNA from past models. This is VERY important to continue the legacy of a brand. You dont scrap the ENTIRE look of a car that has established an identity.

People should take one quick glance at a car and be able to name the maker. Now the XJ has a Japanese blandness to it. The "Britishness" has been lost. Ian failed to take into account that certain design cues such as: a vertical vent, four separate headlights, and more chrome trim, connect the new XJ to the past.

A good designer can mesh new and old. He didnt. I have posted various examples of what should have been in Jaguars facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=13220328&op=5&o=global&view=global&subj=10159835879&id=680065313

The interior is perfection in the new XJ. The engine power and sound are stunning. The size of the car is impressive. So not all is lost. But every Jag buff I have spoken to including me, is upset and hates the new XJ. I dont think they will sell like they thought after this year. The comp is very stiff now. 10 yrs ago you didnt have Panameras, Quattroportes, Bentleys, Cadillac CTVs, Lexus's and Infinity's that could compete. NOW YOU DO.

The very amatuer design cues with the c-pillar, the roof seams, the front diffuser, cheap wipers, jumbo mirrors, poorly designed door handles, and typical headlights...all add up to a car thats NOT what it should have been. Anybody spending $100k on this car can get a more polished design. So I wish Jaguar would stop patting themselves on the back thinking they can sit on their asses now. Because the XJ is NOT there yet. Fire Ian, he is too old and not thinking into the future.

• BMW just greenlighted their "Grandcoupe" concept! AWWW damn....that spells trouble for the XJ.
• Benz has a new CLS dropping..more trouble!!!!
• Panameras are selling like mad here in Atlanta...more trouble!!

WAKE UP COVENTRY!!!! before its to late...

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