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Bob Lutz' CTS-V Throw-Down Draws 120 Applicants

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According to Cadillac about 120 people applied for a chance to beat Bob Lutz and his CTS-V sedan at the private Monticello Motor Club in upstate New York on October 29.

The deadline to apply for the CTS-V was last Friday. Don't think there will be 120 cars out at Monticello. It's Cadillac's party and it's setting the rules. Cadillac will choose about five or so from among the 120 applicants to compete in New York. How many of the applicants followed the basic tenets of the eligibility rules (stating that a competing car must be a unmodified four-door sedan of roughly the same ilk as the $60,000 CTS-V)?

According to Cadillac spokesman Nick Twork, "Honestly, about three-quarters of them were in the spirit of the contest. Of course, there were some like, 'I've got a Porsche GT3 RS blah, blah, blah.'"

 Those who are chosen (a winnowing process that should be done tomorrow) will also get a chance to take the CTS-V around the course too. Already there are at least a few journalists/bloggers/automotive hangers-on planning on making the trip to Monticello.

And while this whole event/stunt began with a personal challenge from Bob Lutz in a conference call with media, GM will have professional racer and former GM engineer John Heinricy on-hand. According to Twork, "Heinricy will be used at the discretion of Mr. Lutz." In other words, GM will have its own ringer should any other competitor bring one.

It might be something of a publicity stunt, but as stunts go, having over-endowed sports sedans racing for time around a beautiful and demanding road course is a pretty decent stunt. For credibility's sake, one would hope Cadillac makes sure a Porsche Panamera, BMW M5, Mercedes-Benz E63 and/or C63 will be on the track. 

Have a look at the CTS-V Challenge web site, even if it's too late for you to participate.

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18 Comments

chavis10 says:

12:19 PM, 10/19/09

I can't wait to hear the excuses. Performance wise, the car is clearly superior than the M5- its direct and considerably more expensive competitor. The M3 is too small even though it costs the same amount of money. The XF5, M5 and E63 are the really the only vehicles that match up to the CTS-V in terms of size, mass and mission.

srlracing says:

12:40 PM, 10/19/09

I don't know if GM could get a Porsche Panamera there even if they wanted to. There just are so few that have been shipped to the US so far let alone bought.

szos says:

01:13 PM, 10/19/09

It should be a slam-dunk for GM.

The CTS-V is indeed a great car so if they stomp over the competition they can proclaim that they are the "Standard of the World" again, but if they lose they can play the value-card... they can always advertise that they lost to a car costing $XX,XXX more by only X seconds - or whatever the situation ends up being.

It's a win-win situation no matter what... and GM FINALLY building some great cars, they should take this opportunity to show off their goods.

inlinesix says:

02:23 PM, 10/19/09

Chavis10:
Don't forget the C63 AMG (base price $57,350); Caddy ($58,575), both 4-door V-8 Sedans. I think the CTS does have around 100hp more.


So GM will shoot for more publicity and still prove the same point that has been seen in even IL comparisons which is: the CTS-V is a little faster.


It beats the M5 at the Monticello Motor Club track by 1/2 of a second in this R&T article:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6963&page_number=2

estreka says:

02:49 PM, 10/19/09

I wonder if the new M56 will be included. Both are pre-production.

altimadude00 says:

05:35 PM, 10/19/09

Would someone please explain to me what the purpose of this event is? If this is supposed to attract sports enthusiasts to recognize the CTS-V among the best sports sedans in the world, then I understand.

If this is to increase the visibility of the Cadillac brand, this makes less sense. The CTS-V is the most expensive model of one car from the brand and doesn't represent Cadillac as a whole.

If this is to bring new buyers to GM, having an event touting the top crust products of the company doesn't make sense at all. Advertising how good a $50,000 car is does nothing to sell $10,000 Aveos and $20,000 Malibus (i.e. the cars that a majority of people buy.) I would think that touting your "meat and potatoes" products would do better to increase your market share rather than advertising your desert.

hondacura4 says:

06:00 PM, 10/19/09

I don't see much of anything wrong with this competition but I'd rather see competitions using vehicles that the average family can afford. Vehicles like the Malibu, Cobalt, Equinox would have been excellent.

I think Lutz should have produced a comparison that backed up GM's claims of superior fuel economy against other manufactures like Honda and Toyota that GM consistently blasts in its celebrity infested Chevy commercials. Given the fuel efficiency is the current priority over track times, I think it would have been the smarter choice. =)

blueguydotcom says:

07:17 PM, 10/19/09

Always amusing...

greenpony says:

08:06 PM, 10/19/09

Alas, I don't have a four-door that could beat it.

zoomzoomn says:

04:36 AM, 10/20/09

I agree with the author of this post, as far as stunts go this one is a good one! It's a shame that is what it has come down to for GM, what 60 day test drives and stunts like this. Whatever works, though. Right?

isend2c says:

04:39 AM, 10/20/09

@Altimadude00

Companies that have the supercars like the Audi R8, Corvette, Viper, M3, CTS-V and the like have them partially to attract people to their brand. the CTS-V is based on the CTS (obviously) so somebody would get one of those. The M3 is based on the 3 series, and someone could get one of those.

The Viper in particular was used as a marketing item. Before it Dodge did not have very much of a face. Since that was released, most all of their cars have had the 4 quarters thing. So it helps with brand recognition and people sometimes like the Malibu more because it's made by Chevy who makes the Corvette (for example) or whatever. I'm not saying that's the best logic, but some people do.

felonious says:

09:52 AM, 10/20/09

Altimadude has obviously never heard the old saying, "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday." The CTS-V has a lot more in common with other Cadillacs than production-based race cars have with true production vehicles, yet I bet more than a few purchase decisions have been based on racing successes.

achenator says:

09:57 AM, 10/20/09

Ok. So the V is great, we got that. How about BUILDING some cars. I tried about 2 weeks ago to find one to drive. One within a hundred miles.

jays83gsl says:

01:24 PM, 10/20/09

I entered the challenge with my '10 SHO. I'm SCCA registered and active, and have a long, storied history with cars. I will be VERY disappointed if 'Lutz' doesn't choose me, or another SHO, as a contender. With the track pack (which my car has, other than that it's stock down to the tires), the SHO should wipe the floor with the Caddy, and all the while my ass will be either cooled or warmed, depending on the weather. I'm curious to see if the GPS shows the track while I'm on it, and curious to see if GM's OnStar solution keeps saying "Turn left here. INSERT QUARTER TO CONTINUE!"
I'm also VERY curious to see Lutz or his 'ringer' actually set the time, and I want a look under the hood of the V that they use, as well as a glance at the tires.
The host has to follow the rules as well, or the competition is null and void.
I have money set aside, if I am chosen, to both make the trip up there and to buy some stickier rubber if I do see that their car doesn't have stock tires.
It's an interesting idea, I just don't think GM has the ability to pull it off in a fair environment.

hondacura4 says:

02:02 PM, 10/20/09

"the SHO should wipe the floor with the Caddy"


Then you woke up in a cold sweat.. The CTS-V is in a whole different league that the SHO or any stock Ford sedan will ever see.

cz75 says:

02:52 PM, 10/20/09

The SHO has mediocre brakes and is way down on HP (but not weight) to the Caddy.

zoomzoomn says:

08:29 AM, 10/21/09

I agree with hondacura4 in that the CTS-V is in an entirely different league than the SHO. It should be as it is WAY more expensive. I do hope, though, that Lutz includes jays83gsl's SHO (although incuding the new Lincoln MKS with Ecoboost would make more sense). It will be fun to monitor the results of this showdown by Lutz and his crew. And, for the record, I believe that they would be stupid not to keep this challenge totally above board. I would expect that they will do the right thing regardless of the outcome.

stingray454 says:

07:10 AM, 10/22/09

" jays83gsl says:

01:24 PM, 10/20/09

I entered the challenge with my '10 SHO. I'm SCCA registered and active, and have a long, storied history with cars."

Yeah, so am I - big deal. $50, an application form, and anyone can be SCCA registered and active. Doesn't make you a good, experienced road course driver.

I drove Monticello's track at a NASA HPDE where they will be hosting this a month ago. It's a fun, but very challenging track. The track will own you more than the CTS-V will (putting aside the issue that an SHO is no contest to a CTS-V). Unless you are a very good professional driver, you won't have a prayer on that track. You get 5 laps to prove your point, and that isn't anywhere near enough to truly learn Monticello and how to be fast on it.

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