Ill-fitting floor mats, be they factory or aftermarket, are enough of a problem that Toyota issued an advisory today to an estimated 3.8 million to Toyota and Lexus owners to remove their driver foot-well floor mat immediately. This applies to all "removable" mats, and Toyota and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) are asking that owners not replace them with any other mats. A formal recall is forthcoming, the company said in a press conference today, and a more permanent solution will be announced at that time.
Complaints about floor mats date back to 2004, Toyota spokesman Irv Miller said today, when Prius owners reported that their cars experienced unintended acceleration when improperly fastened, or unfastened removable mats jammed the accelerator pedal into an 'open' position.
However, the graveness of the situation undoubtedly increased when a California Highway Patrol officer and three members of his family died in an August 28 crash blamed on a stuck accelerator pedal in their Lexus ES 350 dealer loaner car. The pedal was apparently jammed by an ill-fitting floor mat.
The following vehicles are included in today's warning:
2007-2010 Camry
2005-2010 Avalon
2004-2009 Prius
2005-2010 Tacoma
2007-2010 Tundra
2007-2010 ES 350
2006-2010 IS 250 and IS 350
Toyota's advisory on floor mats
Green Car Advisor: Toyota Urges Gen 2 Prius Owners to Remove Floor Mats to Avoid Stuck Gas Pedals
billt9 says:
05:30 PM, 09/29/09
fallout time!
But since when was it ever the company's fault that somebody doesn't secure the driver's floormat?
The driver's floor mat is always secured. It's always wrong to have an unsecured driver's floormat.
huyracing says:
05:41 PM, 09/29/09
floormats in my WRX did the same thing despite all my attempts to secure it, so I removed them. its a poor design.
dalaw says:
06:24 PM, 09/29/09
The OEM floor mats in all the cars my family drive usually have aggressive pins that prevent the floor mat from moving even if there are no hooks. I've had aftermarket ones that move a little bit but usually under the gas pedal.
2002blksle says:
06:47 PM, 09/29/09
Had this happen on my 2007 Camry. I "floored" the car getting on the highway and the bottom of the accelerator got stuck in the groove of the $120 factory all weather mat. I almost #$I% my pants and had to reach down to pull it out. I had the V6 and that car was fast.. didn't take long to hit 90MPH before I freed it and hit the brakes. It was, however, my fault because I didn't have the mats snapped in properly... but even with an error on my part, the pedal should not be designed with such a low clearance to the floorboard. I got a recall notice from Toyota in 2008 about replacing the all weather mats for free. Sad to hear about the family that was killed in the dealer loaner.
subytrojan says:
06:54 PM, 09/29/09
The floor mats in my WRX have never led to unintended acceleration. Maybe the blobeyes have better hooks than the bugeyes?
inlinesix says:
07:19 PM, 09/29/09
This is a sad thing for the family that lost in that accident but damn... It seems like an excessive amount of responsibility taken by the manufacturer.
huyracing says:
08:09 PM, 09/29/09
subytrojan: it wouldn't surprise me... subaru keeps fixing problems secretly as they go. i've noticed a bunch of parts changing on me... same part number and all, but the part is significantly different.
cz75 says:
08:40 PM, 09/29/09
Subaru did it on the WRX manual transmission, widening the gears after they had breakage issues the first year or so they sold them here and not disclosing the change.
kgrgunman says:
08:50 PM, 09/29/09
I've had floor mat problems on my 2005 tacoma (it's on the list) but i've never had it stay floored, my floor mat does keep coming loose and moving around, however the only problem i have from it is not being able to floor the gas, so i can only give it 90% throttle till i move the mat, at worst i have had it do this with my brake but i could still apply 90% brake so it was not that big of a deal.
then again my truck did come with a fail safe for this problem, it's called a clutch, so if it would happen to stay floored i can stop that driving out of control B.S.
everyone thinks toyota's are boring, this just adds excitment to driving, and it's toyota's way of trying to kill lazy automatic drivers so more people will buy manuals, keep up the good work toyota!
stovt001 says:
08:58 PM, 09/29/09
"This is a sad thing for the family that lost in that accident but damn... It seems like an excessive amount of responsibility taken by the manufacturer."
That's what I thought at first, but after reading the comments, if the gas pedal does go so low as to get easily stuck in the mat, then that is a design problem. If the floor mats can come unfastened easily, then the pedal must have extra clearance to avoid a mat in an incorrect position. Either that or they must make the mats more secure.
billt9 says:
09:26 PM, 09/29/09
Ya like a Gillette, eventually these things need to come with 5 hooks. And add an extra hook each year.
2 hooks is so passe.
cx7lover says:
02:42 AM, 09/30/09
They should use the system Audi uses.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3488/1661/33718330004_large.jpg
Extremely effective, and stay's in place 100% of the time.
brn says:
07:47 AM, 09/30/09
I had a similar problem with a third party mat. When extremely cold, the mat became stiff, holding it's shape. Because it couldn't be hooked, it could slide backward while stiffly curved up in the front, where the gas pedal could catch it.
Happened twice before I figured it out. Thankfully, it was a stick so I could push in the clutch and turn the ignition off. I ran out and got a mat that could be hooked. Problem solved.
It sounds like these Toyota mats are only a problem if they're not clipped properly. My solution would be to clip them properly, but what do I know.
notabigdeal says:
08:04 AM, 09/30/09
This is gonna be one big ass recall. I can see the toyota execs in tears. I don't think anything is going right for toyota this last two years. They still make a lot of money, but i think their competitiveness has taken quite a bit of jabs.
rick8365 says:
10:54 AM, 09/30/09
Had this happen in a Turbo 300ZX one time....I gassed it and it stayed gas. Thankfully I had space enough in front of me to realize, reach down and pull the mat back before rear-ending someone. It was not a good feeling when it was happening.
clarkma5 says:
12:50 PM, 09/30/09
Why is it so hard for companies to design good floormats? The clips in my VW will never ever EVER let my floormats slide, nevermind even move an inch! For what it's worth, I've seen worse designs than these Toyota ones too.
subaru123 says:
12:52 PM, 09/30/09
@huyracing
I've also noticed how Subaru "secretly" changes things too. In my 06 B9 Tribeca the floor mat would sometimes get under the gas pedal but never got the pedal stuck down. In my 09 Tribeca the mat is cut so it doesn't extend under the gas pedal at all. At least Subaru changes things quickly (08 WRX to 09 WRX)and doesn't wait for something like this to happen and recall over 3 million cars.
wishihada911 says:
02:53 PM, 09/30/09
My '06 Scion xA has the same catch/fastener for the front floormats. Anyone know why Scions apparently weren't included in the advisory/recall?
4g63 says:
05:19 PM, 09/30/09
Oops we have a Prius but it never happened to us. I also think Toyota should've designed not just the floor mats properly the first time, but also the pedals. To prevent this from happening, everybody should NEVER floor it! Drive slow and accelerate slow. (yea right...) So the pedal will never get low enough to get stuck by the mats.