Inside Line Dyno Test: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T

I was hoping for news like this... looks like I might have to make a trip to the local Hyundai dealer soon...

Almost all non-racing dynos are done at the wheels. So basically, this engine is UNDERRATED. Sweet!

only about 80 horses difference between the 3.8, the torque is about 40, Spec-R, I already can see myself driving one...

Edmunds, do you guys realize that 4th gear is NOT 1:1?
It is 1.233:1 which means your power numbers are higher than they actually are.
5th gear is where you want to be performing your dyno pulls, unless you are compensating for the difference which seems like silly busy work.

I'm pretty eager to see a track test now. Maybe an eventual comparo between this and the V6 Camaro would be entertaining.

197 whp / 0.9 = 219 crank hp
197 whp / 0.85 = 232 crank hp

Interesting to see what the crank numbers could be when accounting for 10% and 15% drivetrain loss, respectively!

Very cool! Thanks, Jay! :thumbsup:

Forget the Hyundai, what's the deal with the R32 GT-R in the background?

That's a nice early peaking torque curve....this engine compares nicely with the GTI engine (tad more peak power, tad less peak torque in the new FSI engine). I wonder how the delivery feels by comparison.

This outta be a really nice pocket rocket. Think of all the generation of kids who have grown up only knowing the joys of a FWD or, since 2002, an AWD platform...of course there were always a few that tuned a 240sx or some such.

But now a proper modern RWD chassis with tunable engine stock?

Sweet.

Joe

yeah, I like this Hyundai and all, but WHAT IS up with that R32 GT-R in the back ground???

The Gen Coupe is going to be might tempting for my next car a few years down the line.

Nice. Does the 2.0T have the 3 second safety sag?

Looks like there isn't much need to wind it all the way to redline, maybe it could be avoided.

Whoops, was this on regular or premium gas?

Hell, just replace that section of pipe with a beer can and some bailing wire.

All this car needs, is a downpipe, catback, intercooler/plumbing upgrade, CAI, GReddy Profec and of course the most important thing....a good tune. Even without most of those compenents it should compare well to is V6 big brother.

The early torque peak is good but Id like to flatten it out a bit as it putters out the more it revs and of course bring the HP levels up to around 300whp. This should be a fun car for anyone who wants a inexpensive RWD car with a good chassis and tuning potential. Bravo Hyundai!

I know I'm in the extreme minority but color me unimpressed.

A couple of things to note:

1. The drivetrain can't even handle the V6's power output.

2. The turbo motor isn't that strong internally.

So, yeah with a tune and some aftermarket exhaust pieces you might, after spending considerable cash, be able to match the output of the V6 - which isn't impressive to begin with.

Awesome, :-/

Ayabe - How do you know it can't handle the V6's power output. I'm genuinely asking; I haven't seen anything like that.

Same regarding the turbo motors internals....any information on what is weak?

The upside to turbo motors like this, typically, is that they can perform really, really well and still retain a lightweight platform and great gas mileage.

Joe

Trusting factory delivered cars to magazines isn't really a good idea. Most are known for giving "ringers" and it's too easy to turn up the boost to provide better numbers.

I always chuckle when I see all these specs for new cars...like my 335 which if I believed some of the numbers get to 60 in under 5, but most magazines don't even get close to that anymore....

Nice car, the engine is Mitsubishi isn't it? I love all the keyboard engineers commenting on construction.

competition is good, indeed!

Joe - well they've since updated the ECU with a new "map" but Edmunds noted in their earlier review that under certain conditions, the ECU would pull power on redline shifts for 3 seconds to preserve the tranny.

This tells me it's not all that robust, even though it's been "fixed" I'd be very nervous grenading the tranny.

As for as the turbo motor not being all that strong, it has an open deck block and is apparently sourced from the Mitsu Ralliart.

So I'd say much over 300whp is going to be in the danger zone, tranny issues aside.

I've driven the car when it had the 3 second cut - it didn't seem so much like a drivetrain protection feature than it did an over-zealous traction control. On a fast shift you could easily chirp the tires and it thought you were skidding.

This did not happen with the traction control off, not even before the reflash.

o0o i want that wine red gtr...

just for a comparo the r32 gtr with a turbo back exhaust and intake will put down 340whp lol..

stick that in your turbo hyundai.

Good Comment "beermagazine"

Insideline revealed that the car had received a specific tune by Hyundai in the last article; they CLAIM it is the updated factory tune, but we have no reason to believe that. So, I don't believe that the factory model will perform this well. HOWEVER, it is hinting at the potential of what a good aftermarket tune can do to this car!

Good Comment "beermagazine"

Insideline revealed that the car had received a specific tune by Hyundai in the last article; they CLAIM it is the updated factory tune, but we have no reason to believe that. So, I don't believe that the factory model will perform this well. HOWEVER, it is hinting at the potential of what a good aftermarket tune can do to this car!

See the Evo article about 2 different dynos producing 2 different sets of outcomes.

regardless I WANT ONE.

You guys are clueless if you think that ECU reflash is not available to everyone. Call a Hyundai service department and ask, the TSB IS ON IT'S WAY. No doubt about it.

Epwolfram it must be dark and smell bad where your head is.

Ayabe -

"Joe - well they've since updated the ECU with a new "map" but Edmunds noted in their earlier review that under certain conditions, the ECU would pull power on redline shifts for 3 seconds to preserve the tranny.

This tells me it's not all that robust, even though it's been "fixed" I'd be very nervous grenading the tranny.

As for as the turbo motor not being all that strong, it has an open deck block and is apparently sourced from the Mitsu Ralliart.

So I'd say much over 300whp is going to be in the danger zone, tranny issues aside. "

For a comparison, Subaru re-tuned the 2008 STI after it was blowing engines due to a dangerous condition during throttle-overrun shifts at redline....I don't consider that engine to be weak because of it.

The question is: Can the trans withstand daily driven activities with 300whp? Most weak points on these cars is the clutch (makes sense to make the replaceable part weaker); and on RWD cars, most of the time it's the tires.

Pulling power for 3 seconds during redline shifts doesn't make much sense for trans protection. What exactly is that protecting? This is a manual transmission...it's not like it had a torque converter.

Mitsu makes some of the finer 4-cyl turbo engines on the planet...so I'm not sure why that would be a concern. And to your point about open deck but then 300whp....

300whp in a rwd 3300 pound coupe is pretty much a 13 second quarter mile time and a sub 5 second 0-60 car (given traction). If you are saying you feel "ok" about this engine up to 300whp, then what's the problem? That's a 50% increase over stock power levels.

I don't know many cars who are capable of supporting a 50% increase over stock with reliability. I know a few, just not alot, and fewer people still go over that limit.

Which means the people who like to do bolt-ons and a tune will get their 250-280 whp and most likely be happy and have solid reliability.

supergoji said: "o0o i want that wine red gtr...

just for a comparo the r32 gtr with a turbo back exhaust and intake will put down 340whp lol..

stick that in your turbo hyundai"

Stick your gt-r in your gt-r since most of North America will never get to drive one anyways.
They WERE impressive many years ago, when they were new and fresh. Yes, they CAN make a lot of power but so can mkIV supras, corvettes and vipers...your point?.
The gt-r is also a 15 year old car now. 15 years of hard driving and regular beatings. I've driven a few r32s, gt-r and lower models and they are fine, if you want old tech and old design and a used car.

I just bought a genesis coupe v6 and I have to say, for the amount of cash you spend it is very impressive. No, it's not a super car but I know which I would prefer to have if I were given the choice between an ugly old worn out gt-r or a nice new car that is about the same performance level.
I just made that choice.

Why is this a big deal when the Chevy Cobalt Turbo puts out 260 hp and 260 lb ft of torque?

Oh, yeah, I don't think that the Cobalt would have to receive a special factory tune to get those numbers.

colorado1974, the big deal is that you're supposed to ignore GM and gush over Hyundai.

Sarcasm aside, I think the Hyundai fever has gotten a little silly.

Regarding the special Hyundai Tune for the Edmunds test car "scraps28" said "Call a Hyundai service department and ask"

LMAO!!!

For those of you who havent done research on the motor you might be interested to know it is a detuned EVO motor...this engine is what chrysler/hyundai/mitsubishi refer to as the world motor. I wouldnt question how weak the internals are. Just look at a new EVO for strengths and weaknesses also power output.

Coloradoguy,

If you haven't noticed, one is a wrong-wheel drive and other is a rear-wheel drive. There are people who prefer power to be delivered to the right wheels.

Does this car wear a blue plate normally? I think I was following this car on Saturday night on the 101 up in the Agoura/Woodland past Sherman Oaks.

'the big deal is that you're supposed to ignore GM and gush over Hyundai. Sarcasm aside, I think the Hyundai fever has gotten a little silly.'

'GM CEO says bankruptcy would cause liquidation'

'Hyundai sales increase in January and February 14% despite massive industry downturn'

'Hyundai market share nearly doubles in initial quarter of 2009'

Let's see GM is down an average of 40.4% and market share is hemhorraging but hmmmm Hyundai is silly?

The growth contrasts in these two companies, and the product development and future offerings is anything but silly in light of the facts. Hyundai is in a massive growth mode and WILL be a major player in 5 years. GM will definitely NOT be what it is even one year from now. I'll put my money in a Hyundai before a company that needs taxpayer bailout to make vehicles fewer and fewer people want. Silly is relative to the facts, bud.

I haven't seen any road tests on the 2.0T- I'd like to see how they correlate with the hp/tq ratings here.

Hyundai makes some great cars- not necessarily exciting, but their build quality, IMHO, is better than the last few toyotas and hondas I have owned. I think Hyundai will be around for quite a while.

"wrong-wheel drive". LOL.

I agree that what makes the Genesis coupe significant is that it's rear wheel drive, and it's reasonably priced. It used to be that nearly all cars were RWD, and now it's the opposite. In addition to handling, RWD has long term repair advantages.

to dogstar82

well the R32 gtr now costs what a 300zx twin turbo does now. in canada and uk, japan. if you have knowledge of the system you can buy a car and drive in the states like a rhd supra, a silvia or a skyline. you just need to know the laws and codes.

i just prefer the older gtr because it'll still knock the socks off this newer car.

of course the hyundai has a much more upscale interior and better creature comforts. the R32gtr is 20 years old.

the new hyundai is nowhere near the performance level of the GTR. even the 4cyl version is heavier. it's also a pita for car makers to make models lose weight these days because of all the new saftey requirements. lighter, more power, wider is the way to go.

genesis is nice. but meh. ill take a 20 year old gtr over one anyday.

prosource1, the conversation was about the power output of the Hyundai (Mitsubishi) 2.0L and the power output of the GM 2.0L. I'm not sure why you chose to take it in a completely different direction.

I believe C&D tested the 2.0T and the following results. Considering that C&D corrects all their times for atmospheric conditions and is pretty aggressive/abusive in their testing, the numbers aren't too impressive.

Zero to 60 mph: 7.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 18 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 39.5 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 15.3 sec @ 92 mph

For comparison, if you look at something like a Civic Si, which puts down 15-20 hp less than the tested 2.0T on the same dyno, you're going to see a couple mph more in trap speeds. Considering that the Hyundai weighs in about 12% heavier, makes 10% more power on the same dyno and has a far superior torque curve, you'd expect it to do a little better in the acceleration tests if it is underrated.

Then again, if the 3-second rule is in effect, all bets are off.

dogstar82, that ugly old "worn" out GT-R will EAT your genesis and is of a far higher quality assembly/manufacturing than your brand new Hyundai, meaning your car will probably get "worn" out before that R32 does.

epwolfram you moron. You can call them and ask if there is a TSB coming for an ECU reflash for the Genesis Coupe (yes, there is).

Regardless, WITHOUT the reflash stock ones have been running 5.4- 5.5 .. With cars bought from the dealership.

Seriously you seem to not grasp how simple of an issue the reflash fixes..

prosource1:
Year to Date sales show an increase of Hyundai Sales from 95,800 to 99,300 sales. Hardly 14%. GM has sold 3x that amount year to date. It's easy to grow when you are small, you pay your average korean worker far less than a comparable domestic worker in a place where $1 = almost $1400 Won (Korean currency).

The playing field is definitely not even. Almost every other country in the world has import tariffs to protect their native industry and I think the US needs one as well.

Anyway, still, am I the only one that is scratching my head as to why a 200hp turbo Hyundai 4 cylinder is a big deal when the same displacement in a Chevrolet Cobalt has 260 hp and 260 ft lb of torque regardless of drive wheels?

Scraps28 you seem to not grasp the very simple fact that once an auto manufacturer touches a test car (especially the ECU of a turbo motor) the scientific validity of the test is compromised.

I really don't care that you BELIEVE Hyundai would never lie to you by giving this car a hotter tune than the referenced factory update, and I frankly don't care. You obviously don't work in business, or science. Good day.

To whoever else reads this, I am as excited about this car as anyone, I am not a Hyundai hater or a GM worshiper. I'd just like to see my favorite car mag use a little more discretion in testing to avoid possible "ringers."

epwolfram don't you think if they were to make a 'ringer' it would have been the first car they delivered to the mag? And it would have been quicker than stock cars from the dealership have proven to be?

And what supports the fact that it is not a ringer further is that other publications got faster times regardless of the ECU prior to this and so have people with their own, stock, non tuned cars. There is no reason to believe this particular ECU tune would be any 'hotter' than the ones that were already faster anyways.

I'm not arguing scientific validity, in which case we'd have a control sample as well and a different testing process.. But car testing is not scientific, it depends too much on the individual driving the car and the conditions on the day.

Note: I am only discussing the ECU on the v6. the 4cylinder was never effected by the issue.

Sorry. Horsepower doesn't justify the ugliness of the Genesys (or any other Hyundai for that matter). Korean muscle car? Thats a Joke. Mustang, Camero, and Challenger will walk all over this abortion looking clown car. I would be embarassed to be seen in it, let alone next to it.

this car has average power for a 4 cylinder! I still don't see what's so special about it! If this were a ford mustang 4 cyl turbo, it would have been laughed at for being so weak!

Sounds like this one's slated to become another Edmunds tuner project.

Hyundai's mostly flattening a section of exhaust pipe to clear a brace, rather than using an oval pipe in that area, suggests a last minute fix.
Gentlemen, start your welders - you know what must be done! :-)

"Why is this a big deal when the Chevy Cobalt Turbo puts out 260 hp and 260 lb ft of torque?

Oh, yeah, I don't think that the Cobalt would have to receive a special factory tune to get those numbers."

Uhh, the Colbalt SS is a factory-tuned model while the GenCoupe 2.0T is a "detuned" platform for tuners.

Hyundai could have easily gotten 270-80 hp out of the 2.0T block but they didn't want to infringe on the 3.8 territory.

"If this were a ford mustang 4 cyl turbo, it would have been laughed at for being so weak!"

Kind of like the V6 and V8 engines in the new Mustang? lol

Although a couple of hundred pounds heavier, Chevy ought to put the 2.0 liter 260HP engine in the new Camaro. A special edition or something like the original Z-28. A small engine with lots of power. Maybe drop the compression enough that it can run on regular or premium.

With the difference in the price of regular and premium, that is a good selling point to me.

Same with the Mustang. The Volvo 5 cylinder 2.5L 300hp engine in the new Focus RS (in Europe) would be very cool. That seems to be the direction engines are going.

It has just recently dawned on me that the weight part of the power/weight ratio is just as important as the power, although not as sexxy (yes in America bigger is better). For cars in this range, 10 horsepower = 170 pounds aprox. Not only are we going to be paying for more power, we also will be paying for less weight.

Didn't the Eclipse/Talon/Laser make 195hp and 203lb/ft of torque 18 years ago? I agree with colorado, i don't see the siginificance of this car or the brand itself. The 2.0L Ecotec is far more impressive to me. But then again who am i to say anything i drive a MB C230k Coupe. The car pretty much everyone hates. I love it though. Great on gas roomy and fun with a 189hp SC 1.8L and right wheel drive ;-)

http://www.beyondredline.com/?x=news&id=13

For those interested in the engine.

the big difference between the DSM and the hyundai today is that for about 600 bux you can get 300whp out of a dsm :), you'd have to pay alot more now for the G coupe.

WHOA! I just looked at the pricing of this pig. $23k for an auto 4 banger? Are you kidding me? You can get a V6 Challenger for that and have a good car!

$32K for a loaded V6 Genesis? You can have a Challenger RT w/a Hemi!

Once the Camaro hits, it will up the ante even more.

"WHOA! I just looked at the pricing of this pig. $23k for an auto 4 banger? Are you kidding me? You can get a V6 Challenger for that and have a good car!"

I don’t necessary want a car that has only 4 speed, has a dull interior, and weight 500 more pounds.

Hyundai released 2 figures for the 2.0T, 210 hp with regular fuel and around 220hp with premium fuel.

@brn and colorado1974

I'd love to see a 2+2 coupe or a sedan from GM using the turbo Ecotec in a RWD configuration, like the G8 or last gen GTO except in the compact or subcompact range. We all know that's never going to happen thought.

Hynundai isn't a premium brand, which is another plus. I could get a BMW or Mercedes, but then I have to play a premium on service, which I don't want to do. Lexus, Infiniti, and Cadillac don't make four cylinder cars. Cameros, Mustangs, and Challengers have the muscle car stigma attached and aren't available with turbo 4s. (The Camero is nice, and I would consider it if it had a turbo 4.) Axing all convertibles, FWD cars, and cars that run on 91 octane leaves the Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S REALLY HILARIOUS!

Genesis Coupe 2.0L Turbo. weak little 210hp 4 banger.
30 mpg hwy.

Camaro Coupe V6. 300+ horsepower. v6. v6 versus 4banger.
29 mpg hwy!

so let me see. Everybody here feels good about a car that has 50hp less than a Chevy cobalt but get the same mileage as a 300 hp Camaro V6?

Anybody else think that's really funny?

I guess that I was the only one that thought of it in those terms.

Seriously, when you look at it that way, it seems pretty silly.

colorado1974,

I don't think you understand the tuning world, which by the way is the one of the profitable markets. If you didn't know, Genesis Coupe 2.0T is marketed for the tuners. I think it is one of the best tuning cars available. It's a great looking car, and if I had money for Camaro, I would rather spend it on Genesis 2.0T and reinvest it on tuning.

Also there is Genesis Coupe V6 300+HP

With the Hyundai Assurance program and great tuning market, I would say Hyundai is in a winning situation compared to GM's bailout money built cars.

I think it's hilarious that people are comparing muscle cars against a coupe.
MUSCLE CARS CANNOT DO CORNERS!
don't even argue.

apparently they can corner, as written by edmunds.

why spend the same money on a 2.0 as a Camaro V6, blow a huge wad tuning it to put out the same power as a Cobalt Turbo. Then try to trade it and all that tuning you did isn't worth a single $.

just buy the camaro and save your cash.

Yes - Edmunds and all the other auto publications have stated that the Camaro and Mustang are quite impressive handling pony cars, but that's w/ the qualification of impressive handling for a pony car.

Otoh, Edmunds have stated that the GenCoupe's handling/driving dynamics is very similar to that of the G37 or a BMW (neither the Camaro or Mustang get such comments for their handling/driving dynamics).

The Solstice GXP, for example, has plenty of power, but many would forego that power for the much better handling Miata (even if the Solstice is much sexier to look at).