2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe V6 Track Retest

Closed that gap significantly. Great for Hyundai!

Hey, Ed. Would you be able to throw Josh's (I'm assuming he did it) comments on here, too? Thanks!

I'm eager to see the 2.0T's results.

now it's time for infiniti to get disappointed at G's shitty performance (0-60 in 5.7?!) and 'reprogram' their car too. I wish it would never stop and eventually both Genesis and the G will be running low 3s.

So, it is still slower and worse performing than the G37S. Those are the worse times I have ever seen for the G37S Coupe. The G37S sedan will spank them both, 0-60 in 5.0 Seconds and 13.5 1/4 mile (Motor Trend) and so will the 335i.

drewsrx - read http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=130988 if you care about how they do the testing here. It explains why their numbers are "worse" than what most people can quote out of motortrend. They're really not bad drivers, they just use a more accurate testing procedure so that the numbers don't come out skewed to make the cars seem faster than they can normally run.

I agree that a 335i or 135i will destroy these cars. The BMW twin-turbo I-6 is amazing and makes peak torque from 1400 to 5000 rpm, and this Hyundai engine makes peak torque at 4700 rpm. And the Hyundai does definitely come second to the G37S. But some people don't want to pay $7,000 to go from a well-handling and quick car to one that's only 2 tenths faster to 60.

I'm thoroughly impressed by Hyundai.

Keep up the good work.

In the comparison test, you guys said Hyundai was considering recalibrating the damage control system. Why did they even bother to implement it in the first place and then change it back realizing that it dented performance? Did they not compare it in the first place? And now they have to waste all this time recalibrate all the cars.

By ctpax on March 12, 2009 8:34 PM -

That's funny!!!

Seems to me though that every stock Genesis coupe will still do 0-60 in 6.4.

Seems to me though that every stock Genesis coupe will still do 0-60 in 6.4.

To DREWSRX: Click on the link "How we test cars" found at the bottom left of any review and read it. You'll find the answer to Motor Trend posting "faster" performance numbers than Inside Line. As for Hyundai, it's great that they acknowledged there was a problem and solved it. That's how it should be.

Good one for the Genesis Coupe and the Hyundai team who addressed the issue. I'm surprised that the original test vehicle had so many problem, you would think they'd check that before sending it over to you guys.

Can't wait to hear the LT blog about this vehicle.

Now that's more like it! Thank God this re-test was done, I was so confused by the previous results.

Good deal. I was about to loose my faith in jounalistic integrity. I too am suprised that Hyundai would make such a stupid mistake. It looked like the warranty guys just ran over the performance guys after all the build up about performance. I bet someones head rolled over this deal. Or was it planned deliberately???

drewsrx, yea the Infiniti's performance numbers are better by .1 or .2 secs, but the reality is if i was in a position to buy a car like that the Infiniti costing minimally $5,000 more would make me think twice. Its not always about performance, but you have to factor price in too. The Hyundai may be down .1 or .2 secs, but its price makes it a far better choice.

Also, I didn't see any mention of the power reduction issues in the other articles. WTF.

Now that was brilliant....... Now the official numbers of the Genesis are of a "ringer" car. Can we spell S.T.U.P.I.D ????? That is why only Consumer Reports can be trusted to get any real world numbers on the cars that people really buy. Same thing with your "testing of the GT-R. Amazing numbers reported by Inside Line gee lets go buy one.... What do people discover that if you launch the car to get those amazing reported numbers you blow out the drivetrain and Nissan will not fix it!!!!When will you guys ever learn.......

I would still have problems buying a Hyundai, but the Genesis coupe I sat in at the auto show was comfortable (even though I'm 6'7"...take that 370Z) and nicely equipped. Kudos to Hyundai for 1) admitting there was a problem 2) getting a fix done ASAP and fixing all the cars in inventory.

Does Nissan get to tune their car for your test too?

Along the lines of 6sptl, I'd like to see ya borrow a random car off a dealer lot and see how it does.

I was thinking the same thing. Can we get Infinity and Nissan and Honda and Chevrolet and Ford to all get a chance to retune their cars after your scathing reviews of them?

again, cracker jack reporting guys.

I agree with some of the other comments. By allowing Hyundai to come and retune their test car, they have completely compromised the scientific integrity of these results.

There is no way to know if the tune they gave you is the same that a random Genesis will have from the dealer.

I have to say, that after reading this, I will trust Consumer Reports data first. This is the sort of practice that soured people on Motor Trend, et al.. and why people started coming to you! Get your act together Inside Line don't take your readership for granted!

Hyundai made certain assumptions when they calibrated Genesis's ECU, listened to customer feedback, decided to make changes, did so, and are offering upgrade for free rather than burying it in a TBS. Sounds darn reasonable to me.

Also, CU, while more objective than most, can surprise. Their top CUV pick, the RAV4, got that way because of how many people actually buy it, instead of just the test numerics.

Bravo for friendly competition!

Wow! Hyundai listens and fixes! Now, with those new performance numbers Infinity G-37 coupe is going to re-think the game plan. Do we hear a new 3.8 V6 (hush hush) or drop in the 5.0 V8?

I drive a Sonata for now and want to like the Coupe, even though I would probably go for the 2.0T, but something here smells like standing in the burnout pictured above.

Hyundai has made so many right moves, how could they not now that the 3 second deal was going to screw things up really good?

How come the other testers didn't mention the problem and ran better times? Maybe they got the ringers the first time and now Edmonds has one...

Why not do another retest in say, six months, with a fresh car off the lot? That way you'll set everyone's minds at ease.

So now the Genesis numbers are within tenths of the G37??? Impressive...Edmunds numbers are now right in line with the other mags (Motortrend, C&D, etc). Notice the 0-60 with rollout netted a 5.7 sec run (exactly what the other mags are quoting). Same for the G37 (5.4sec). Not bad Hyundai, not bad at all...

way to get hooked up with a ringer!

Kudos to Hyundai for fixing this for Edmunds and for all. I am looking forward to a test of the 2.0T at some point. I'd love to see it in the LT fleet but I'm not holding my breath, I know you guys.

The retuned ECU is the same programming that all new cars coming out of the factory will have, so I personally don't have a problem with that, especially since Hyundai is going to reflash all already sold cars.

Anyway, the G37 may be slightly faster but it's not slightly more expensive. The cheapest G37 you can get with a manual is the $37K. The cheapest V6 Genesis with a manual is $25K. I'll miss that $12000 more than I'll miss the 0.3s in the 0-60.

So if I understand correctly, owners who don't have a team of Hyundai engineers ready to fly in with the specific goal of pumping up published performance numbers can't really expect results equivalent to your "specially tuned" Genesis? Puhleeeeze give me a massive break. Turn a team of Nissan engineers loose on that G37 and I'm sure they can cut the 0-60 time by half a second as well. This is easily the most transparently BOGUS undertaking I have come across at Edmunds.

Wow some of these responses are pretty ridiculous. I don't recall hearing nearly as much whining when BMW gave inside line a 335i that was DEFINATELY tuned to perform better than stock. I congratulate insideline for realizing that something wasn't right and comparing it to a customers car off the showroom floor. And do any of you know how many times BMW has changed the tuning on that engine? I dont i just know its more than a few times.

Hyundai screwed up by putting the power cut feature on the genesis, but.... they later realized their mistake and are fixing it on ALL the cars. Some of you must not have read that part. So they didnt just fix it for insideline, they are reflashing the ecu's of all the cars. Exactly like bmw has done over and over again. Anyone that is criticizing inside line for this article is ridiculous and needs to look at the whole picture...

Why wasn't the Nissan 370Z used instead of the Infiniti? It's much closer in price to the Hyundai and offers even better performance than the Infiniti. Plus not sure how many people would cross shop Infiniti and Hyundai in the real world.

Kudos to Hyundai for listening to outside resources, understanding the problem and generating a fix for not only the test vehicle but for all Genesis Coupes. Kudos to Inside Line for giving them a 2nd chance to gather numbers for the car.

Ah the beauty of a struggle between 2 departments in one company. Performance guys "More power", Warranty guys "More safety for the engine". I wonder if they decided it by rock, paper, Scissors?

Nissan engineers are free to retune their ECU's any time they wish and I am sure Inside Line would retest their vehicles as well. As long as they are honest about retuning all their applicable vehicles in inventory and those already sold the results would be just as valid.

So let me get this straight - average consumers who don't have a team of Hyundai egineers on standby to massage their vehicle for the specific purpose of upping the 0-60 times probably can't expect results similar to that of your "specially tuned" Genesis, right? Give a team of Nissan engineers a crack at that G37 - particularly re-programming the ECU - and I'm pretty sure that they can knock a half second off the 60-run. Puhleeeeeze!

PS - for those wondering how it stacks up against the Z, check out Motor Trend on-line for a comparison of the Mustang GT / Genesis / 370 Z. Near as I can figure, none of the cars were specially prepped by the manufacturers to maximize results of performance testing.

While I understand that test environment and methodology will affect results, the G37 has usually been a couple click behind the 335i and just short of the is350 so yeah, it would be shocking to see a time of 5.4s for the 335, 5.6s for the is350 and 5.7s for the G37.

For some reason it feels like 6.2- 5.9 is the best time you can expect to get from the Genesis vs 5.2-5.3 for the G37. If that is so, then their is a significant performance gaps that is not been clearly communicated.

I think the real flaw with the Genesis vs G37 comparison is that buyers are not cross shopping the car. I thinks it's say to say that someone in the market for a G37 is cross shopping with the 335/328, IS350, A4 and CTS. I serious doubt that someone buy a Genesis is also considering a G37. They are more likely to look at a Mustang, Eclipse, Lancer or Legacy. All these cars will give you comparable if not better performance.

Are you guys (jaeger1 this certainly applies to you) a bit thick or slow?

The reflash is not something done simply for comparison tests, it is an update done to EVERY SINGLE genesis coupe. Even the ones purchased prior to the reflash. Think of it as a TSB that gives you extra performance for free, removing a useless restriction on the system.

The test numbers are realistic for the car you can buy at the lot. Simple as that.

Apples to apples G37 still comes on top by a hair, but value-wise you can't beat the Genesis Coupe.

OK, let's get it straight that while Hyundai's decision to so program the car in the first place seems witless, Hyundai routinely listens to customer complaints and issues TSB's for reprograms. The '09 Sonata has a shift one out now, for example. All other automakers do it, too. And when they do, Consumer Reports retests if the automaker tells them about it. They also make sure all specs such as alignment are right before testing. And if not, they fix it. So this isn't THAT big of a deal.

Also, Nissan already got a retest. Can we say GT-R? While it's not confidence inspiring to have factory techs under the hood, most of these cars are press-fleet cars or are on loan from the manufacturer anyway except many of the Long-Term ones. Maybe Edmunds should randomly select test cars to be taken to an independent mechanic to check everything out to see who, if anyone, is sending ringers.

still .4sec off Motortrends posted times.

and to jaeger, infiniti could definatly not knock a half second off of the infiniti's 0-60 time. If they could they would have already. The only reason the genesis was able to shorten its time was because there was an electronic system in place that shouldnt have been there in the first place. The g37 has no such system

I don't know why anyone would think the re-test of the Genesis coupe is any more likely to be a ringer than the original. It is a press fleet car, and they knew a car reviewer would be driving it before they gave it out the first time.

Nice of you guys to give Hyundai a re-do. This all kind of reminds me of some of Car and Driver's musclecar tests in the '60s. The cars usually came prepped by dealers that routinely raced and/or modified street cars- think: Royal Pontiac, Don Yenko, etc.

Wow this is what i called world class customer service. Salute to Hyundai hope many other companies (ehem2) American companies listen to their customers.

I think the only way to confirm this is to anonymously buy a new one off the lot, stock, and test it. I applaud Hyundai for the improvement, but until this is verified on a non-media prepped car, I can't accept it as anything but a ringer.

That time is interesting. I know the Camaro team wanted to break under 6 seconds to 60 with the V6 powered Camaros, and they'll be a couple hundred pounds heavier. I'm interested to see if they can do it.

very nice post and all post is very luxury

I ask one dealeship in Houston if they're aware of this procedure (reflashng the ECU). They don't know anything about it.

I dont know why everyones making a big deal out of this as Hyundai saw a flaw in its ECU tuning and corrected it. Keep in mind its not just the Genesis Edmunds tested but EVERY Genesis 3.8 thats been produced.

Regarding performance, I still think it should be a few tenths quicker given its power to weight ratio. I have to remember that Edmunds numbers are conservative compared to other publications due to different testing procedures.

excuse the long post.
i have a 335 and i have followed hyundai's venture into the luxury and performance segment with their genesis sedan and coupe. some people say its unfair to compare Hyundai to infiniti and bmw and other entry level luxury cars. I disagree. If i could find a car that was 10,000-15,000 less that gave me the performance i have now, i would be stupid to NOT take a look at it. However, there is a substantial performance difference. A second or so in 0-to 60 times makes a big difference for those who love immediate power.

for 300 horsepower from hyundai, i expected slightly better results-even with the retest. i was actually rooting for better times. I would love to save a lot of money to get the performance i have now.

i will certainly "look" at this car and the genesis sedan when my 335 warranty is up because i would never own a bmw when the warranty and maintenance is up due to high costs. I already had my high-pressure fuel pump replaced twice under warranty. hate to see what that would cost when my maintenance plan is up. Its obvious hyundai's costs and upkeep are cheaper.

did they build a decent looking car?-yes. it's a smart shoppers buy that gives some decent performance to the cost conscious. but would i buy the hyundai?- probably not. its tough to give up the performance i have now. still-nice job to hyundai for trying to shake up the buying market during tough times.

@giant killer

I checked the hmaservice.com website and the TSB wasn't posted yet. They apparently aren't very far along in the process. However, before anyone goes claiming they're up to something, remember: ALL TSB's must be reported to NHTSA, whether they affect safety or not. NHTSA then posts a summary, including the manufacturer's campaign number, to its safercar.gov site.

@stovt001

I don’t think that’s reasonable. Edmunds only budgets for buying Long-Term cars and the V-6 Genesis Coupe isn’t the car that’s generating the most interest. The 2.0T, while not the version I’d pick, is the one that would be of most interest, especially if they tune it, as a lot of owners apparently will.

So here’s a compromise suggestion: once NHTSA has posted the campaign number, Edmunds should request a login to the hmaservice.com site, download the PDF for the reflash procedure, and then chose a dealer within a reasonable distance. Show up at the chosen dealer early on a typically slower day, such as Tuesday, with a printed copy of the procedure in hand, show company ID, and ask that the run they reflash again. If they balk, call your contacts at corporate. Ask to watch the procedure step-by-step. It should bomb on the auto download because the car had already been upgraded. When it does, ask them to force it with the manual procedure. Then test the car again. That should remove reasonable doubts.

Secondcity, interesting to hear you post and perspective. I guess I'm on the other side of the fence. I went with the G37 over the 350 z (the 370z was not out at the time) because I wanted a luxury coupe with very good performance. Had performance been the key buying decision, I would have gone a different direct.

I guess I see the Hyundai a very good performance coupe. Not a luxury coupe. If that is what they are targeting the Genesis at, the I just must the boat.

I don't doubt that Hyundai could make a luxury coupe that rivals the G37 - They did an incredible job with the sedan - I just do not see the Genesis coupe targeted at that segment.

Oh BTW! It looks like even after the reflash an S2000 will spank the Hyundai and G37! Of course, its not a luxury coupe but it is 9 y/o technology :)

g_nice the Genesis is definitely more aimed towards the G37 than a 370z.. That's why most publications compare the two to each other! And why the dimensions are within a couple inches of each other as well. I still prefer the interior of a G37 over the Genesis Coupe, but other than that it's equal. The difference in power is nothing you will notice without a dyno, except for the superior lower end torque in the Genesis.

If only they offered the nice beige interior Infinity has, that just adds to the luxury feel.

Scraps28, has Hyundai really indicated that? When the Hyundai Genesis was announced, Hyundai made it clear that hey were going after the luxury market and targeting Lexus. The result of their efforts are now historic and well documented - wining numerous prestige automotive awards.

When the Genesis Coupe came out everyone said "It looks like a G37". While I'm sure that is clearly by design and I would argue too much so as IMO it make the car look like a knockoff, I haven't seen anything from Hyundai claim that they are targeting Infiniti or the Luxury coupe market for that matter of fact.

In fact it would seem to me that there is some confusion (again this may be by design and I think it would be smart marketing) currently around exactly where Genesis Coupe fits in the sports coupe market. If you look at the latest reviews, many are comparing it to the Mustang and the 370. Not contemporaries of the G37.

Listen, I am not trying to provoke response. I think what Hyundai doing is brilliant and if you look at my posts, I have any knock them or the car. I think however people are getting overzealous and confusing a bit of marketing hype.

I am tired of the marketing exploits from the trade pubs and just want to get a clear view of the vehicle. I'm already convince it's an excellent car.

How can any of you seriously come on here and proclaim this car a "ringer"? Every other instrumented test has gotten numbers close to or better than these, so if anything the original car Edmunds had was a bad example. Get your facts straight, read the entire article, then try to make an intelligent response.

As for those who still "have problems buying a Hyundai"--pull your heads out and look at what they've done the last 5-10 yrs. Their quality is just as good if not better than practically everyone, their sales are going up when everyone else's are down, and they show no signs of slowing down. I own 2 ('99 Elantra and '05 Tiburon) and neither has ever given us any issues. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Hyundai any day of the week.

I'm not just concerned about Edmunds, but the whole testing process and the mags that got the really low 0-60 times. Obviously those low times didn't come with the 3 second safety sag. So who does have the ringers. The BMW 135 was mentioned, and that really raised concerns as well, when that occurred. The same thing needs to be done. Find a new car bought by a private individual and check it out. I'll be glad to go buy the blue one on the lot down the street (with Edmunds financial assistance) and we can check it out...

Edmunds, I have tried to refrain from saying this, but this test was bogus. You had the audacity to compare an Infiniti to a Hyundai? What nerve. A buyer interested in a Hyundai will not drive down the street to their nearest Infiniti dealer, because the two companies appeal to different individuals. Infiniti has the G37 BMW has the 335 MB has the CLK and new, albeit larger, E coupe. Downstairs at this law firm, guess how many attorneys drive Hyundais…give up…none. The aforementioned vehicles, and other LUXURY automakers, are the only acceptable cars in this class. Next time you do a comparison test #1 compare COMPAREABLE cars and #2 test the G37 like C/D, M/T, Consumer Reports, etc. and show some degree of tact. It is a little too obvious that you are receiving some type of kick back from Hyundai after reading this article.

To clarify, we do not KNOW for SURE that the tune Inside Line received was the SAME tune that will be given to the production cars.

It is in Hyundai's best interest to boost the performance of this particular Genesis used for the review (to sell cars) and to prevent damage/wear to the fleet cars (to keep warranty costs low).

Therefore, it is likely that Hyundai turned this car into a "ringer." And since we don't know for sure, we can only assume this to be the case.

Bottom line, we can't trust these new figures.

g_nice well the thing is the Genesis Coupe doesn't really fit against the 370z at all, so I certainly wouldn't compare it to that. Nor should it go against a V8 muscle car. Neither one fits at all - it's not really comparabe.

And when they were designing it initially there was no G37, there was the G35. And that is even closer to what the Genesis Coupe turned out to be - albeit with a better interior than the G35.

Having driven both I can see where the comparisons come from. And publications have done that as well, Popular Mechanics had a good write up about it too.

I'm not trying to knock Infiniti or cheapen their cars at all, I loved the G35 and am a big fan of the G37.. But the Genesis Coupe is the first car to ever make me even consider a Hyundai. It does it's job well and with very few compromises over the G37.

epwolfram that's pretty ridiculous, as the other publications all had better and realistic numbers BEFORE edmunds had issues with the cut-off. And the other mags times were more inline with the power/weight ratio anyway. And also the KDM cars (korean) have been getting 5.4 - 5.5 stock at the track as well.

And if you read edmunds initial test you wouldn't get the 3 sec protection every time, only if you hit the rev limiter. So we can only assume that their driver a problem shifting it at the right time!

I say good job to Hyundai for fixing it for everyone.

acgator03 I used to think like you until I read the articles on the Genesis and tried it as well. It is up there, there's a reason they are comparing it to Infiniti. There's a reason the sedan is compared to a Lexus. And no it is not the better car yet, but it is a great value. Popular Mechanics had a good comparison of the two as well. Pull your head out of your ass, a car is a car.

I suppose its me, but the one part of the review that kicked me up along side my head was the alignment.
Of spec???
Puleeze.
How old was this car?
How many already imported had this problem?
I think we are seeing the real difference between Hyundai and other MFGs.

@ acgator03
G37 is better and can’t be compared to Hyundai because the Infiniti has better reliability rating. According to JD Powers, Infiniti do not have better reliabitliy ratings than Hyundai. [http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-brand]
In fact on “Body & Interior Dependability”, Hyundai has higher rating. If anything, Hyundai has higher dependability ratings than Infiniti! Everybody knows Inifiniti is hyped-up Nisssan. The buyers who are interested in Inifiti will shop at Hyundai. Inifiniti isn’t a God brand. I don’t know who thinks the Infiniti has that type of brand cache. I don’t even think Mercedes is all that. In Japan, there is no Infiniti brand.
According to Consumer Reports.. it says “The two closely related South Korean nameplates, Hyundai and Kia, rank right up there with the better Japanese makers. “
According to the consumer reports.. these Hyundai cars have better “Predicted Reliability Ratings” thans…
Hyundai Sonata 4 cylinder higher rating than Accord 4-cyl
Elantra higher rating than Civic Hybrid, Coupe, Hatchback, or Sedan, or Nissan Sentra.
All Hyundai cars in “Small cars” category had higher rating than Nissan’s
Are there Nissan cars that rated higher than Hyundais. Sure… but the point is.. at this junction with over whelming Hyundai’s reliability data, it is Hyundai no longer has reliability problems. If anything, it’s the opposite. It doesn’t matter whether you based this on JP Powers, Consumer Reports, or any other measuring entity’s data, Hyundai consistently ranks high.
You obviously care more about the brand than the substance aka care more about the book cover than the content. MT, Popular Mechanics, and others have compare on G37 and Genesis Coupe. Popular Mechanic actually had better scores than Edmunds.com. Idiots like acgator03 always accuse of X-company of getting kick back when they don’t like the result.
Hyundai’s cars are now consistently ranking at the top by most car magazines. You can go from Hyundai Elantra to Genesis Sedan… Hyundai Genesis Sedan bit out Lexus ES350. It beat out ES350 on Edmunds.com. It was the only car manufacturer on the Feburary to go almost linear on car sales instead of dropping 30%+.
MT, C/D, Consumper Reports, and every other publications have compared Hyundai to Lexus/Inifiniti/ect..
Not everybody reads.. people like to say things without the verifications or confirmation. They base their supposisions based on their own belief system or standardless standard. If they say it, it must be…
G37 isn’t $5000 or $10,000 better. It just isn’t.
I think the reality is that Hyundai is knocking on doors of Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes, and BMW. If so, why not? I think Pontiact G8 is knocking BMW M5’s door. I think Lexus IS is doing that to BMW 3 series. They all do this, and this is desirable.

I just read the 2.0T numbers, nice.

Maybe the 3.8 should go back on the dyno since it was "tweaked"!

Are we all assuming manufacturers don't send "prepped" cars to media :)

I am actually amazed at the amount of cover this is receive. I think this is on par with what happened when the G35 outgunned the 330i. What is really surprising here is that the passion lies on the side of the underdog (For lack of a better word).

If my memory serves me correctly, it was the BMW audience that was passionate and fuming. This speaks well for Hyundai. I honest would have never thought their brand could invoke such emotions.

I do agree with acgator03 that the mags tend to hype this up. That's why I was glad to hear people such as scraps28 talk about personal experiences. I would also disagree with rk2469's view that Infiniti is a hyped Nissan. That argument may have worked in the 90's. There is a clear strategy that differentiate Nissan products from Infiniti and the Infiniti brand is being evolved into a worked wide brand. The success of the Essence is evidence of that Infiniti has establish a higher level of cachet.

http://www.beyondredline.com/

Different Dyno Test of Dealer Car. Hmmmm

I bought a '92 Hyundai Scoupe in '99 for 1800 bucks as a beater to deliver pizza's. I was so thrilled at the amazing level of quality for such a ridiculous price I often drove it over my '96 Talon TSi Turbo AWD. I think, g_nice, that's why your seeing this emotion, from people like me who have been buying Hyundai's ever since they learned the joke that is the idea Hyundai's are bad cars.

Vera Cruz beat the Lexus RX350 in MT when it came out.

Genesis beats Lexus ES in several magazines

Genesis Coupe beats G37 in a couple now.

Is any body seeing a pattern here? I agree that the Infinity has a higher perceived value and a few refinements over the Genesis. For 10,000 more. But the Genesis Coupe looks better. Imagine if Hyundai made the GC 10k BETTER then it is now. That's what has all the magazines baffled, and I'm sure the luxury makes more then a little concerned. It comes down to whether you're the guy that needs a lux brand to feel good about yourself, or your the guy that knows the secret no one else does....

So Hyundai didn't like its write up from you guys and you gave them another shot. Boy, I wonder if you would ever do that for any of the domestics. Probably not. They don'y pay you for good write ups like import companies do.