Except for pickups, consumers are choosing V8 engines less as each day passes. The reasons are pretty obvious: the rising cost of gas, concerns about the environment, social pressure and so forth.
As to why V8s are doing well with pickups (V8 sales are actually up in this segment), is because fewer casual customers are buying pickups. Therefore the increase in percentage is due to heavy-duty pickup buyers who strongly favor large powerful engines...
Here's AutoObserver's take: Are Customers Finished Buying Tickets to the Horsepower Race?
A related story by AutoObserver describes the problems vehicle makers have in marketing powertrains: Marketing Powertrains Becomes Trickier
orangutan says:
08:21 AM, 02/14/08
How many of the most popular cars even come with the option of a V8? Altima, Accord, Camry, Fusion/Milan/MKZ, CTS, G35/37, Murano, CR-V, Rav4, Acadia/Outlook/Enclave, Edge/MKX? They're all either I4 or V6.
Also, the reasoning about trucks is flawed. For example, the Nissan Titan can only be had with a V8, while the F-150 only came with the 4.6 and 5.4 V8s for a few years, and will do so again when the next generation goes on sale. There is often limited availability of V6 engines in the trucks because of how the manufacturers and dealers structure packages and trims. How do trucks like the Frontier and Tacoma fare? I'm betting they sell a lot more V6 than I4 engines.
rsholland says:
08:31 AM, 02/14/08
To a degree you're correct about the trucks. However, the reason V6s aren't offered on most trucks these days is simply because the truckmakers know from past experience that V6 engines weren't selling. Therefore, why offer them, as all it does is complicate manufacturing to satisfy a very small audience?
firstwagon says:
08:50 AM, 02/14/08
Like a lot of studies, this one sounds like they started with a conclusion then went looking for facts to support it.
There aren't enough V8 cars available to give meaningful data these days.
Truck based SUV's are less popular then car based ones now but the V6's used are more powerful then the V8's of just a few years ago.
Regardless of the number of cylinders, every new car model that comes out has more HP then the one before.
The HP race is alive and well.
orangutan says:
08:56 AM, 02/14/08
How many vehicles with V8 engines offer significantly improved fuel economy with a lesser V6? What are the price, power, and feature differences between V6 and V8 versions?
SubyTrojan says:
12:47 PM, 02/14/08
There's no replacement for displacement!!! :o)
Unless you have a turbocharged boxer engine!
estreka says:
01:05 PM, 02/14/08
Well said Orangutan.
ateixeira says:
01:14 PM, 02/15/08
V6s have gotten good enough to replace the V8 for all but truck-hauling duties.
GM's 3.6l engine is nice, and they haven't even added DI yet. When they do, it'll be close to 300hp. That's enough to fight the HP race even without a V8.
Ford, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Nissan...all have V6s approaching and in some cases exceeding 300hp.
That's plenty for a passenger car.
rsholland says:
02:27 PM, 02/15/08
The 3.6 in the Caddy CTS has DI I believe.
hondacura4 says:
02:10 PM, 02/16/08
A bit off topic.
Personally think DI is overated on some of these V6 engines as they really dont make anymore power than other V6's WITHOUT DI. Unless youre going for maximum output I would leave DI out. Sure it has its advatages but I dont see it as a necessity on most engines in this power range. The same could be said for the DOHC vs SOHC engines also.
GM's 3.6 DOHC seems to be a very nice piece but its too bad they havent put it in anything of lighter weight. In my eyes the Lexus 3.5 DOHC DI is the best V6 in its respective class while the BMW I6TT would probably be the best overall 6 cylinder.
I recently viewed a 330hp VQ37 (2008 G37 coupe 6mt) vs a 286hp J35 (2008 Acura TL-S 6mt) dyno graph and although the G37 had about 25-30 extra wheel hp over this particular J35 the torque difference was only 2-3 lbft accross the board. Keep in mind the G37 has more displacement, DOHCs, and the high tech VVEL system on both INTAKE and EXHAUST valves. The Acura J35 is SOHC, of smaller displacement, and uses one of the simplest forms of VTEC only on the intake valves. So is all that extra technology really needed for that specific application? For the minor performance gains....no!
So this makes me wonder. What could Honda (or any manufacturer) do with a 3.5L DOHC i-VTEC or upcoming a-VTEC (or similar valve timing system) with direct injection while using all of these technologies fully?
Ill use the Porsche 3.6 flat 6 out of the GT3 for example since it has similar displacement as the engines I mentioned above. It has Variocam on both intake cams and valvetiming on intake and exhasut cams. It DOES NOT have direct injection yet it has 415hp and 300lbft of torque. Considering its extreme high output and short gearing gets respectable 25mpg on the highway. Impressive!
In the end you can get competitive power numbers and economy out of a less complex, lighter, compact, cheaper package. Example Honda J series V6 and GM LS V8 series.
hondacura4 says:
02:14 PM, 02/16/08
I forgot to ask, doesnt GM have a 3.6 DI turbocharged V6 somewhere? I could have sworn Ive read about it or something? Could be a more efficient/powerful Northstar V8 replacement!
estreka says:
12:21 PM, 02/18/08
I've been disappointed by the VQ engine. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastically smooth engine, but the power:displacement ratio is subpar for a performance engine (88hp/L). I hear the ECU is the bottleneck.
hondacura4 says:
05:33 PM, 02/19/08
I havent been a fan of the VQ since the crazy smooth VQ30. When it was enlarged something went wrong.