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Good news Long-Term Test Blog fans. In the next two weeks we will introduce four new cars for you to complain about.

Now, I'm not going to tell you what they are going to be and spoil the surprise, but I will give you some hints. Two are hatchbacks. One is a convertible. One is a sedan. Three of them are powered by four-cylinder engines. One is turbocharged. Three have manual transmissions. Three are white, which we didn't plan. And one is rear-wheel drive.

Care to guess?

Scott Oldham, Inside Line Editor in Chief 

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126 Comments

pat1usmc says:

04:44 AM, 02/27/10

I hate guessing games. Its only fun in a weird way for the person that knows the answer. I'll give it a shot.
I think these fill the criteria.
1. VW GTI
2. Honda Accord Crosstour
3. Mazda Miata PRHT
4. Hyundai Sonata

chicagotex says:

04:48 AM, 02/27/10

-Chrysler Sebring Convertible (LX)
-Honda Accord Crosstour
-Suzuki Kizashi
-Volvo C30

pat1usmc says:

04:48 AM, 02/27/10

I gues I'm off on some now that I see the picture goes in alphabetical order! Oops.

bradyholt says:

05:03 AM, 02/27/10

I'm going to agree with the Crosstour, Kizashi, and GTI suggestions above. The convertible is a puzzling one, especially if the order is indeed alphabetical. C6 Vette??

The fact that there is nothing in the alphabet below the XC60 that fits the criteria means that the alphabetism is inexact, too. In that light, I'll open up the possibility of the revised 2010 SX4 and the 2011 Sonata, too.

barich1 says:

05:09 AM, 02/27/10

If it's under VW and not Volkswagen, the GTI would be below the Volvo.

hybris says:

05:44 AM, 02/27/10

1. Dodge Caliber Rush (overclocked 4 banger + stick )
2.Honda Accord Crosstour (Why people why?) >:( (4 banger + stick)
3.Mini Cooper S convertible. (4 banger + turbo + stick)
4.Can't figure out this one.

hybris says:

05:46 AM, 02/27/10

On second thought a used Yugo might actually fit the remaining requirement of being rear wheel drive and automatic.

Here's hoping I'm wrong.

subaru123 says:

05:56 AM, 02/27/10

1. Chevy Tahoe Hybrid
2.Honda Accord Crosstour (you guys already told us)
3. It could be Mitsubishi through Suzuki but I'll guess it's a Subaru because of: (click link)

http://www.subaru.com/research-and-reviews/awards-accolades.html

4.Volvo XC70

pat1usmc says:

06:15 AM, 02/27/10

Hybris the Crosstour doesn't come in a 4-cyl or a stick.

cx7lover says:

06:27 AM, 02/27/10

Mitsu Sportback?

Crosstour for sure

cx7lover says:

06:30 AM, 02/27/10

Well actually let me change that last one, it should be a Volvo..

tshoe says:

06:49 AM, 02/27/10

First I was thinking the Volt was on the list but the smugged area seems too small.
Accord Crosstour for sure - Personally like Venza better
Suzuki Kizashi or Subaru Outback
VW GTI?
Convertible and/or RWD?

checkinjenlite says:

06:59 AM, 02/27/10

Alright I think they are:
1. VW Golf GTI
2. Honda Accord Crosstour
3. Subaru Legacy 2.5GT
4. I have no idea what the convertible is.

06scooby says:

07:40 AM, 02/27/10

I know for sure its the Honda Crosstour because they had a link at the top of the home page for a little while for a long term introduction that didn't work.

I'm thinking a Subaru Outback might be one of them depending on if they are calling it a hatchback (with manual) or an SUV... but the 2.5 GT would fit the Turbo + Manual profile.

And I noticed something else.... this sign out sheet isn't just for long term cars it seems. Since when do you guys have a Toyota Prius, Audi S5 Convertible, Mitsu Outlander in the long term fleet...

And I see the Ford Edge and the Lexus 400h on there too? Do you guys still have those? why are there no posts on them? are they just being used as planters in the office lobby?

bradyholt says:

07:48 AM, 02/27/10

"Since when do you guys have a Toyota Prius, Audi S5 Convertible, Mitsu Outlander in the long term fleet..."

The handwritten cars are probably short-term test cars. I think they still have a previous-gen Prius floating around too.

sm42 says:

08:03 AM, 02/27/10

The reflection in the clip clearly shows a Chevy, Honda, something starting with S (Scion xB?) and I think a V at the end.

bkaiser1 says:

08:18 AM, 02/27/10

Turbo, 4cyl, manual, RWD...gotta be a Hyundai Genesis Coupe coming our way! And, of course, the Crosstour's already been shown here last night (briefly) so that's a given...still thinking about the other two slots here.

fuhteng says:

08:22 AM, 02/27/10

1. C6 convertible
2. A Crosstour (I just died a little inside)
3. Some type of Subie
4. GTI (mmmm.... electrical faults)

Thank God for the C6, because I couldn't care less about the other three.

cah11705 says:

08:31 AM, 02/27/10

1. C6 Coupe (Technically a hatch)
2. Accord Crosstour (Threw up in my mouth a bit)
3. Suzuki Kizashi (Or a new legacy but i prefer the suzuki)
4. Vovlo C70

mptlptr says:

08:34 AM, 02/27/10

Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Convertible (I hope, but that would make it two cars in this list with more than 4 cylinders which violates the criteria)
Honda Accord Crosstour
Suzuki Kisashi
VW GTI

mikeolan says:

08:36 AM, 02/27/10

The Convertible is the Volkswagen EOS

The fat pig is the Accord Crosstour

The "S" car is the Suzuki Kizashi or Subaru Legacy. Hopefully it's the Suzuki, as the Subaru Legacy is the biggest, giant piece of crap I've ever seen.

cah11705 says:

08:37 AM, 02/27/10

Actually, the Volvo is a 5 cylinder so i think it's a VW Eos then

nuieve says:

08:57 AM, 02/27/10

Definitely no Miata or Mini, they already had those.

jasbra says:

09:26 AM, 02/27/10

My guesses are:
1. VW GTI
2. Honda Accord Crosstour
3. Hyundai Sonata

Which would leave a RWD, non-turbo-charged, 4 cylinder convertible. The only options I can think of are the Lotus Elise and Mazda Miata, both cars I'd be interested in reading about.

sniperruff says:

09:30 AM, 02/27/10

1) Subaru WRX/Sti - to fill in for 370Z, plus one of the new cars will be "tracked"
2) Jag XF/XK - to fill in void for luxury mid-size
3) 2011 Hyundai Sonata 4-cylinder - fills void for econo mid-size sedan, plus this will serve as the full-test for edmunds
4) Kia Forte - lacking a basic compact (possibly to replace Honda Fit and Suzuki SX4)

And what's with the "Outlander" and "Ford Edge" that I see? I guess those are assigned to administrative duties like the Prius and Civic GX eh?

cah11705 says:

09:32 AM, 02/27/10

So the edge prius and RX400h still exist!

jeevsdew says:

09:48 AM, 02/27/10

Please tell me you got the 2010 Lexus IS F to compare to the M3

cah11705 says:

09:52 AM, 02/27/10

So since the Crosstour can't have a 4 cyl. the option between corvette and challenger could be a:

Cruze(not likely)
Equinox(please no, you already have a terrain)
HHR(Why)
Malibu(Maybe)
Volt(That'd be cool, but very very unlikely)
any Chrysler(yet again, why)

So either alphabetical order be damn, or it's likely one of those.

mjp16 says:

09:52 AM, 02/27/10

Based on the reflection in the clip part of the clipboard, the first smudge is a Chevrolet, the second smudge is a Honda, and the third smudge is either a Subaru or Suzuki:

http://www.sfu.ca/~mjp16/misc/edmunds.jpg

No idea on the fourth. VW or another Volvo perhaps?

mjp16 says:

09:52 AM, 02/27/10

On another note, what's happened to the A4 Avant? No posts at all lately.

takikuroi says:

09:58 AM, 02/27/10

Ok, from the reflection in the clip we can see that one is a Honda. For similar reasons to others, I'll also go with the Crosstour. That knocks out the only automatic. The C one is either Chevy or Chrysler. Chrysler has no cars with manual so they're out. After that it gets tough, so I'll come back to it. I'll go with the Suzuki Kizashi as well, since the blur heights look about right for that, which takes the sedan out. There is no car that fits below the Volvo alphabetically that meets all the criteria, without forcing a RWD 4cyl on Chevy, which does not exist. Therefore I assume a minor alphabet fail and go with VW GTI. That leaves a c6 vette of some sort for Chevy. Odd that you'd have two vettes at once, but whatever. ;) Hoping for the Grand Sport.

So my guesses, as they appear to be printed on the sheet:
Chevrolet Corvette
Honda Crosstour
Suzuki Kizashi
Volkswagen GTI

carguru12 says:

10:00 AM, 02/27/10

Oh, god. Not another guessing game.

I'm gonna guess:

-Ford Taurus SHO EcoBoost AWD
-Nissan 370Z Grand Touring w/ Sports Package Roadster
-VW Golf VI GTI (4 Door?)
-VW Golf TDI (4 Door?)

louiswei says:

10:12 AM, 02/27/10

I love how you guys pick Honda Accord Crosstour over the Toyota Venza...

Didn't the Venza just beat out the Accord Crosstour in your own comparo (http://www.insideline.com/toyota/venza/2009/comparison-test-2010-honda-accord-crosstour-vs-2009-toyota-venza.html) and normally that's how you pick the long term vehicles?

At least that's the reason why you didn't get the IS F even thought it is...

1. The first product from the first Japanese in-house tuning division

2. The first "real" performance product from Lexus (which you auto journalists LOVE to bash for its softness and lack of performance)

3. The first super sedan from ANY Japanese auto manufacture

So... I am looking forward to hear the reason why the Accord Crosstour is picked over the Venza.

cah11705 says:

10:18 AM, 02/27/10

So since the Crosstour can't have a 4 cyl. the option between corvette and challenger could be a:

Cruze(not likely)
Equinox(please no, you already have a terrain)
HHR(Why)
Malibu(Maybe)
Volt(That'd be cool, but very very unlikely)
any Chrysler(yet again, why)

So either alphabetical order be damned, or it's likely one of those.

arkangyl88 says:

10:34 AM, 02/27/10

Pretty sure it can't be a VW, cars are in alphabetical order and Volk is before Volv...

based on the order, these are the brands:
Chevy, Honda, Mini, Mitsu, Nissan, Porsche, Subaru, Suzuki, Toyota, Volvo

I'm going with:
Chevy Malibu (sedan, 4)
Honda Crosstour (hatch #1, 4)
Subaru WRX (hatch #2. turbo 4)
Volvo C70 (convertible, non-4)

rick8365 says:

10:43 AM, 02/27/10

"In the next two weeks we will introduce four new cars for you to complain about."

Umm...... ouch. ?

notabigdeal says:

10:44 AM, 02/27/10

I have faith in Insidelane's budget.

1. VW TDI
2. Hyundai Sonata
3. BMW Z4 <-have faith
4. Subaru WRX <-something has to replace the evo...

bradyholt says:

10:45 AM, 02/27/10

arkangyl88, C70 is before XC60 in alphabetical order too.

the_big_al says:

10:48 AM, 02/27/10

The mysterious Ford Edge is still around.... cept we don't know anything about it.

subaru123 says:

10:49 AM, 02/27/10

I didn't read the hints the first time so

1.Chevy Cobalt
2.Honda Accord Crosstour
3.Suzuki Kisashi or Subaru Legacy/Outback/Forester/Impreza
4.VW Eos (Volvo C70 is a 5 cylinder)

subaru123 says:

10:50 AM, 02/27/10

@arkangyl88
The C70 is a 5 cylinder

norsairius says:

10:58 AM, 02/27/10

I've got my fingers crossed for a Subaru (WRX would be nice) and a VW GTI. An STI would be interesting, but IL already had one of the newer STIs a while back, so perhaps the STI's little sibling would be a better fit. The comparisons to the previous experiences with the STI would be especially interesting since the current WRX is pretty close to the STI in terms of performance (some say too close)... at least in some areas anyway.

The GTI would be nice to see since the MKV/MKVI are supposed to be the generations where the "GTI is back".

I guess we'll see!

norsairius says:

11:02 AM, 02/27/10

I just want to add though, that if only one of the new cars is turbocharged, then they won't have a GTI and a WRX. However if three of the cars are manuals, there's a decent chance that one of them could be a Subaru WRX if one of the new cars is a Subaru (since Subaru only offers a 5-speed on the WRX). I'd be interested in seeing IL's comments on the new WRX though, for sure... especially since I picked up a 2009 WRX recently, haha.

firstwagon says:

11:32 AM, 02/27/10

I can't narrow down a guess enough so I'll just sit here happy in the knowlege that 3 out of 4 are manuals!!

frazier500 says:

11:36 AM, 02/27/10

The Lexus RX400h lives!

skyggge says:

12:23 PM, 02/27/10

My view: First of all, the rear wheel drive is driving me crazy, it can't be a Miata, and I doubt manual Eos because they rarely get cars that haven't been redesigned in several years. Sooo what I got so far is:

Chevrolet 4cylmanualRWDconvertible (Chevy Solstice/Skye?)
Honda Accord Crosstour (auto, 6, hatch)
Suzuki Kizashi (manual, 4, sedan)
Volkswagen GTI (manual, turbo 4, hatch)

stovt001 says:

12:38 PM, 02/27/10

I wouldn't be surprised to see another Corvette. This certainly wouldn't be the first time they've had two versions of the same model. takikuroi and arkangyl88 are probably closest.

I'm kinda excited to have the Crosstour around. It isn't often that Honda is the whipping boy around here. Usually that honor falls to Chrysler/Dodge. The Challenger seems to be pretty well regarded, so they get a break this time.

audikrazy1 says:

12:39 PM, 02/27/10

Porsche Boxster Spyder? one can only dream!

Or maybe a Tesla Roadster to compare to the mini E?

huyracing says:

01:29 PM, 02/27/10

if it is another corvette, it'd be a ZR1... because it is the only one to come after Z06.

there will be a VW for sure...

bimmerjay says:

01:47 PM, 02/27/10

"I can't narrow down a guess enough so I'll just sit here happy in the knowlege that 3 out of 4 are manuals!!"

+1 firstwagon

I heart InsideLine for getting THREE MT's! Today is a good day for enthusiasts.

clarkma5 says:

03:02 PM, 02/27/10

My guess:

BMW Z4 (manual, convertible, RWD)
Honda Accord Crosstour (auto, hatchback)
Suzuki Kazashi (manual, sedan)
Volkswagen GTI (manual, hatch)

And I'm not gonna guess which ones are white and which aren't :p

rsholland says:

03:38 PM, 02/27/10

Legacy 2.5 GT (sedan, 4-cylinder, turbo, 6-speed manual tranny)
Crosstour (hatchback, automatic, V6)
VW Eos (4-cylinder, convertible, 6-speed manual tranny)
VW GTI (4-cylinder, hatchback, 6-speed manual tranny)

orangutan says:

04:59 PM, 02/27/10

rsholland: But wait, there's no RWD and three of those are turbocharged.

Maybe the RWD is a truck/SUV?

I'm going with

Unknown vehicle after Z06
Honda Accord Crosstour EX-L auto 3.5 V6
Suzuki Kizashi 6sp 2.4 I4
Volkswagen GTI 6sp 2.0T I4

orangutan says:

05:03 PM, 02/27/10

I guess the unknown vehicle is a Chevy Corvette convertible, 6sp 6.2 V8 RWD

cr_driver says:

05:05 PM, 02/27/10

clarkma5 says:

03:02 PM, 02/27/10

"My guess:

BMW Z4 (manual, convertible, RWD)
Honda Accord Crosstour (auto, hatchback)
Suzuki Kazashi (manual, sedan)
Volkswagen GTI (manual, hatch)"

WRONG!, cause the Z4 is not a 4 cylinder engine, nor it is slotted between the C and the D letters

rsholland says:

03:38 PM, 02/27/10

"Legacy 2.5 GT (sedan, 4-cylinder, turbo, 6-speed manual tranny)
Crosstour (hatchback, automatic, V6)
VW Eos (4-cylinder, convertible, 6-speed manual tranny)
VW GTI (4-cylinder, hatchback, 6-speed manual tranny)"

WRONG! Cause then u got TWO TURBO engines.....

I say for sure theres gotta be
The accord crosstour hatch auto V6 FWD
the suzuki kizashi sedan 4 cylinder manual FWD

Another vote goes for

VW GTI hatch turbo manual FWD

But what the heck is the thing between the C and the D
Can`t be a corvette, if you assume the accord (the only non 4 cylinder engine)
What could it be a chrysler or a chevrolet that is a hatch or a convertible with a 4 cylinder engine manual? and RWD?

Oh well, If were taking an exam, I`ll ask right now the teacher is something is wrong here, cause the spot between the C and D doesn`t seem right.
I`ll move forward now.....LOL


clarkma5 says:

05:26 PM, 02/27/10

@cr_driver: Good call on the BMW's cylinder count, I didn't check that...but I'm not sure the alphabetical order is 100% accurate, mainly because, as you said, nothing seems to fit between the Chevrolet Corvette and the Dodge Challenger....the Cruze would, but it's not out yet. It's why I went with the Z4 (actually I went with the Boxster first, but then I thought the Z4 would be a better bet because it's an all-new model). In fact, if you go by the alphabetical criteria, the GTI doesn't fit either because Volvo is after Volkswagen, but it's a complete no brainer because it's a turbo 4 cylinder hatchback that's brand new for 2010 and of great interest to long term readers.

So I feel pretty confident about these three:

Honda Accord Crosstour (V6, auto, hatchback)
Suzuki Kazashi (I4, manual, sedan)
Volkswagen GTI (Turbo I4, manual, hatch)

But that leaves 1 RWD, 4-cylinder, manual convertible...and there's clearly nothing from Chevy, Chrysler, or Dodge that fits that. I'm gonna guess Miata, then, and that something is out of order alphabetically.

Crosstour, Miata, Kazashi, GTI.

skyggge says:

06:58 PM, 02/27/10

I think most of us that are properly looking at the hints have settled on Crosstour, GTI, Kizashi, and mystery Chevy, but if a hint is wrong, or not alphabetically listed it can totally throw stuff off. Thank you Inside Line for wracking my brain all day with this seemingly impossible puzzle. I feel like the three 4cyl hint probably has the highest chance of being wrong.

DLu says:

07:02 PM, 02/27/10

Very amazed @ sm42

clarkma5 says:

07:11 PM, 02/27/10

d'oh I really should read all the comments before I keep guessing...sm42's keen eye clearly shows what's goin' on.

I give up on the mystery chevy, the other three are the same guesses I've been sticking with.

zcalvert says:

07:13 PM, 02/27/10

IL can't even keep the paper list or the website list accurate relative to what's actually in the fleet...
so using that as your primary hint may not be such a great idea.

but Oldham certainly achieved his goal of getting high comment numbers.

93aero says:

07:53 PM, 02/27/10

WELL if you look to the small barley blurred out reflection of the page in the silver holder, you can at least make out the brand; that and its in alphabetical order. The 1st one is going to be a chevy...aveo (hatchback). The next would be a Hyundai...genesis?. The next is possibly a car that starts with S. Subaru, Suzuki? We'll see. the last one, who knows. But the intro of another chevy....not something i look forward to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

subaru123 says:

08:31 PM, 02/27/10

One Last Try

1.RWD Chevy???
2.Honda Accord Crosstour (Auto)
3.Subaru Outback (hatch? 2.5i MT)
4.VW Eos (Turbo 4 convertible MT)*

*Chevy,Subaru, and Suzuki don't make convertibles and the C70 is a 5 cylinder.

clarkma5 says:

09:11 PM, 02/27/10

The Eos doesn't make any sense because it's been out for years...why would they add an old model to the long-term fleet? They almost always evaluate freshly released models.

wrinklebump says:

09:12 PM, 02/27/10

I'm not so sure it's the Crosstour. The smudge mark doesn't stretch that far across the clipboard.

I do think there's a good chance it's a Corvette, however, since they're taking it to the track first thing. With no supercar in the fleet, it's probably a ZR1, which is the only Vette that makes sense alphabetically (Z06 would come after a plain jane Corvette, same with GS). Other options would be a Volt or Cruze. Volt would be awesome and probably generate an unreal amount of traffic for the site, so it'd be the smartest business decision if IL could procure one.

For the Honda, I have no idea. It'd have to be a I4 turbo hatch if they also got the EOS and Kizashi. It could be a sedan if they got the Outback and EOS. Maybe a regular Accord? With the Jetta TDI gone IL doesn't have a midsize family sedan.

My head hurts.

sodaguy says:

09:22 PM, 02/27/10

1) Corvette Convertable Grand Sport Edition

2) Honda CrossTour

3) Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Manual

4) VW GTI

I am assuming that IL prefers to have a vehicle from each category in their fleet. So, the GTI has been mentioned before in one of the blogs and could be a replacement for the 370Z. The CrossTour would be a logical replacement for the recently departed FX50. The Legacy could be replacing the Mazda 6.

DCuerpoJr says:

09:46 PM, 02/27/10

1) Chevrolet Corvette C6 Grand Sport (V8, RWD w/ manual transmission. Convertible)

2) 2002 - 2005 Honda Civic Si (4 cylinder engine w/ manual transmission. Hatchback.)

3) Suzuki Kazashi (4 cylinder manual transmission. Sedan)

4) Volkswagen GTI (Turbo 4 cylinder engine w/ auto DSG gearbox. Hatchback.)

Let me guess...you guys wanted to compare the C5 Z06 to the Grand Sport you guys reviewed not too long ago. Bought the previous gen. Civic Si & GTI to compare with the Mazdaspeed 3. The Suzuki Kazashi seemed like a good idea because it's the company's premiere vehicle. Similar to what the Genesis is for Hyundai.

DCuerpoJr says:

09:48 PM, 02/27/10

Oh, and you had the Crosstour, but ultimately decided to return it to Honda because it was too ugly and didn't want another boring vehicle in the long-term test fleet.

zcalvert says:

09:55 PM, 02/27/10

VW Tiguan

satisfies several categories

DCuerpoJr says:

09:59 PM, 02/27/10

@zcalvert,

But the Tiguan isn't a hatchback, nor a sedan and obviously not a convertible.

DCuerpoJr says:

10:00 PM, 02/27/10

The VW could possibly be a Golf TDI since it's a hatchback, has 4 cylinders and is turbocharged. Maybe they went with this to compare with other hyper milers.

the_big_al says:

10:26 PM, 02/27/10

So I just did some checking... the Crosstour only comes with a V6 and an automatic, so one of the cars is indeed a Crosstour, and it makes sense that IL would get a one, it knocks out both the only non 4 banger and manual car. That means the Chevy (it is a Chevy) is not a 'Vette. The only other vehicle that has a 4 cylinder motor and a manual following in alphabetical order is an HHR. It could also be the turbocharged SS version and that would take care of the turbocharged requirement. It would also take care of the hatchback requirement leaving only a sedan and rear drive and a convertible to fill. I am going to go out on a limb and say that the rear drive and convertible are one and the same. The sedan I am going to figure on being a Suzuki Kizashi. It too makes sense for the IL fleet. It also has a 4 cyl motor and manual tranny. So it stays within the requirements. I'm still trying to stay within the alphabetical order on the list, but Loren has mentioned one doesn't fit into that so who knows??? So sticking with my rear drive 4 cylinder convertible, that really narrows the field. You're left pretty much with a Miata. But you guys just had a Miata did you not?? Hmmm... So now I am all befuddled. The one that is throwing it all off is the Crosstour. So maybe that one is the wrong one. But what other Honda would be sensible to add to the fleet???

zcalvert says:

10:57 PM, 02/27/10

i don't think it's too much of a stretch to say the tiguan is (has) a hatchback.

just a thought.

anilpunjabi1 says:

01:15 AM, 02/28/10

making two higly likly guesses

Hyundia sonota
audi s5 cabriolet 2.0t or the is250c

rsholland says:

07:41 AM, 02/28/10

OK, corrected list:

Legacy 2.5 GT (sedan, 4-cylinder, turbo, 6-speed manual tranny)
Crosstour (hatchback, automatic, V6)
Miata (RWD, 4-cylinder, convertible, 6-speed manual tranny)
Cube (4-cylinder, hatchback, 6-speed manual tranny)

orangutan says:

09:07 AM, 02/28/10

Interesting guesses, especially with the Cube. But there aren't enough spaces alphabetically for a Subaru, a Mazda, and a Nissan. I can't possibly imagine they'd get a Cube without getting the CVT either, and since the Crosstour is only automatic I'm going to count the Cube out.

sigiii66 says:

09:21 AM, 02/28/10

I think:

1. Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD
2. Don't know
3. Mercedes-Benz (some type of E Class)
4. Don't know

moparbad says:

11:25 AM, 02/28/10

Golf TDI 6 speed manual.

If not, I request consideration of adding this vehicle to the fleet.

I hope the Audi A3 TDI is not being added. Nothing new to add with the A3 compared to the already tested Jetta TDI.

huyracing says:

12:07 PM, 02/28/10

the chevy is either crap or a ZR1, a GrandSport doesn't fit aplabetically... if its a ZR1 is does pose a problem, though... 2 hatch, 1 sedan, 1 convertible... and it doesn't fit either. so i'm counting a Corvette out. here is something that fits all the criteria...

Chevy Malibu - Sedan, Automatic, v6
Honda S2000 - convertible, manual, RWD, 4 cyl
Subaru Impreza - hatch, manual, 4 cyl
VW GTI - hatch, manual, turbo, 4 cyl

rx777 says:

12:12 PM, 02/28/10

corvette convertible (manual, rwd)

honda crosstour (auto, hatch)

suzuki kizashi (manual, sedan)

volvo v50?


jm1212 says:

01:13 PM, 02/28/10

1. C6 convertible
2. Accord Crosstour
3. Subaru Legacy
4. Volvo C30

stovt001 says:

03:19 PM, 02/28/10

Anyone else beginning to think Scott made up a criteria set that is impossible to fit within the alphabetically ordered blanks provided just to see how high the comment count would rise?

stephen987 says:

03:31 PM, 02/28/10

Either that, or the Crosstour is so overweight that he mistakenly thinks it's a four cylinder.

cr_driver says:

06:51 PM, 02/28/10

stovt001 says:

03:19 PM, 02/28/10

"Anyone else beginning to think Scott made up a criteria set that is impossible to fit within the alphabetically ordered blanks provided just to see how high the comment count would rise?"

He better not. He`s the editor in chief here, he`s got to show respect to this site and to us, the readers. This ain`t no weirdo site to play sick games.

I`m looking forward to the results, filling all the criteria he listed.


Cause if u change a bit the criteria, u can easily say:
corvette
hyundai sonata
suzuki kizashi
VW GTI

With a RWD, 3 manuals, three 4 cylinders, one turbo.
And all those cars make a lot sense, thou not too certain about the vette`s sense.
But thats not the point, is about meeting all the criteria listed by the editor in chief.

clarkma5 says:

05:26 PM, 02/27/10

"@cr_driver: Good call on the BMW's cylinder count, I didn't check that...but I'm not sure the alphabetical order is 100% accurate, mainly because, as you said, nothing seems to fit between the Chevrolet Corvette and the Dodge Challenger....the Cruze would, but it's not out yet. It's why I went with the Z4 (actually I went with the Boxster first, but then I thought the Z4 would be a better bet because it's an all-new model). In fact, if you go by the alphabetical criteria, the GTI doesn't fit either because Volvo is after Volkswagen, but it's a complete no brainer because it's a turbo 4 cylinder hatchback that's brand new for 2010 and of great interest to long term readers"

You`re right, volvo is after VW. And I agree with you about the GTI. So what the heck bro?

subytrojan says:

12:44 AM, 03/ 1/10

The criteria are correct, folks.

stephen987 says:

03:02 AM, 03/ 1/10

"You`re right, volvo is after VW."

Whether VW comes before or after Volvo depends on whether or not you abbreviate it.

1487 says:

05:27 AM, 03/ 1/10

you already know the GTI is one because every major magazine seems to have a long term GTI in their fleet (As well as M3 and MS3) and they all tend to get the same cars at the same time. I would be shocked if Hyundai wasn't giving out Sonatas to all the magazines to spread the word.

yellowmiata says:

06:41 AM, 03/ 1/10

Because all of the above guesses are scientific and have some probability of being right, I'll hold down the other end of the scale and throw out some completely wrong guesses:

1) a 1967 supercharged GOAT (V8, manual, FI)
2) an early 80s rabbit (4cyl, manual)
3) a used Chrysler minivan '92 (4cyl, automatic)
4) Nissan Frontier with a topper (4cyl, manual)

I've got $ that I'm wrong, but what the hell...

06scooby says:

07:04 AM, 03/ 1/10

Yellowmiata... hahaha that would be hilarious if you were right... we would have to order psychologal exams on the edmunds staff... especially on numbers 3 & 4

dougtheeng says:

07:58 AM, 03/ 1/10

I don't think the line above 'Honda Insight' looks long enough to hide the words "Honda Accord CrossTour". Maybe they called it just Honda Crosstour?

skyggge says:

09:32 AM, 03/ 1/10

If the criteria are correct, can we get confirmation that the list is alphabetically correct?

1487 says:

09:39 AM, 03/ 1/10

or they could just list the vehicles. WOuldnt that be easier? What is the big secret anyway?

charlesncharge says:

10:56 AM, 03/ 1/10

I wish they'd just tell us already...but, if I had to guess...
...I live out here in California, and based on a couple recent auto-related observations:
1. Blue Grand Sport convertible Corvette with "MFG" (manufacture) plates yesterday, Sunday, up in the Santa Monica/Malibu mountains.
2. White 2011 Volvo C30 on North 405 Fwy, right by Santa Monica off ramp with "C30" for a rear license plate - like what you'd see at a car show, for photos etc.
If C30's one of their new cars, then Scott made a mistake - it's a 5-cylinder w/turbo!
3. Suzuki's new, however you spell it, sedan - manual trans. is available, looks good in white!
4. Honda Clarity - Honda's semi-prototype hydrogen fuel cell car - there's hydrogen fueling stations around IL's Santa Monica office area - or maybe it's the new Honda CR-Z?

05mazda6hatch says:

11:01 AM, 03/ 1/10

1.) Chevrolet Traverse
2.) Honda S2000 (used, of course)
3.) Suzuki Kizashi
4.) Volkswagen GTI

Any takers?

fuhteng says:

11:57 AM, 03/ 1/10

May I throw a request for a Buick LaCrosse in the fleet?

djd352 says:

02:00 PM, 03/ 1/10

1. Chevrolet Colorado (4 cyl./5-MT/rear-wheel drive)
2. Honda Accord Crosstour (6 cyl./5-Auto)
3. Suzuki Kizashi (4 cyl./6-MT)
4. VW GTI (4 cyl. Turbo/6-MT) - I bet this one is white.

djd352 says:

02:03 PM, 03/ 1/10

OOOPS that can't be correct, no convertable... hmmmm, I will be patient and wait:-) I know there is a chevy and a honda, and the honda is probably the crosstour, the s2000 (used would make a lot of sense, then the chevy could be something more logical.

s1gins says:

02:19 PM, 03/ 1/10

If you still have the Toyota Prius on the sign out board how come there are never any posts about it?

jstandefer says:

03:55 PM, 03/ 1/10

Gee, this is mind-boggling. Based on alphabetical positioning and reflections off of the board's clip, we have a Chevrolet, Honda, Suzuki, and Volvo. Going after the single RWD vehicle, we can eliminate Honda and Volvo (currently neither produce a RWD vehicle for the U.S.). Looking at Chevy, only the Corvette Convertible meets the criteria of being a hatchback, convertible, or sedan with RWD. Looking at Suzuki, none of the vehicles meet the bodystyle criteria (unless you consider Grand Vitara as a hatchback, which Edmunds does not - although curiously, the Volt shows up when you filter hatchbacks under Chevy).

So, the Corvette Convertible eliminates the RWD and convertible criteria. Let's look at the engine criteria. Three are 4-cylinders. One is a turbo. Since the Vette's V8 meets neither, that means all three of the remaining cars have 4 cylinders, one with a turbo. Well, that eliminates Volvo since they don't sell a 4-cylinder here. That could mean Volkswagen is on the list, rather than Volvo, although it would not be listed in the correct alphabetical order. However, Volkswagen GTI does match the blurred image nicely.

Looking at the remaining manufacturers (Honda, Suzuki), body styles (1 x hatchback, 1 x sedan), and engines (2 x 4-cylinder), we can probably conclude that the Suzuki Kizashi is the sedan, leaving the Honda Fit? That can't be right, because if another Fit joins the LT fleet, there will be news stories about riots in Santa Monica... But according to the Edmunds database, Suzuki doesn't make a hatchback, so it has to be the sedan.

Anyway, I have many scenarios written all over the place, and none of them manage to meet all of the criteria except this one. Replace Suzuki with Subaru, and you could add a few other scenarios (however, I'm pretty positive the reflection shows a "z" rather than a "b" as the third character). Throw in used cars, such as an S2000, and that's a whole different story, and I can make too many scenarios work. I give up. I really suspect that "hatchback" is being used in a looser term here than what's in the Edmunds database. (For example, I think a lot of people may consider the Suzuki SX4 5-door or even the old Mazda Protege5 to be hatchbacks, but in the Edmunds database, they are wagons.)

kdtms says:

03:56 PM, 03/ 1/10

My Guess:

C6 Corvette (Grand Sport?)- 'Vert, Stick, RWD
Crosstour- Hatch, 4 cyl
Kizashi- Sedan, 4 cyl, Stick
GTI- Hatch, 4 cyl, Stick, Turbo

kdtms says:

04:00 PM, 03/ 1/10

^
Scratch that.
Crosstour's not a 4 cyl.
Hmm....Take the Vette out....
But what replaces it?

men3z says:

04:51 PM, 03/ 1/10

Hyundai Sonata
Volkwagen GTI
Kia Soul
Mercedes-Benz E-Class Cabriolet

charlesncharge says:

05:27 PM, 03/ 1/10

OK, 101+ comments...time to finally spill the beans!
Whoever's guesses come the closest, should win a really good prize, courtesy of Edmunds' IL.

technetium99 says:

06:45 PM, 03/ 1/10

Top one is clearly "Chevrolet" in the reflection, so its the updated Aveo, 4-cyl, manual, hatch.

Second one starts with H, So it is the Crosstour, V6, auto, hatch.

Third starts with S and Suzuki Kizashi, 4-cyl, manual, sedan, fits nicely.

Fourth one must not be in alphabetical order since no Volvo fits the remaining criteria, and it is the last typed one on the list. It is a 4-cyl manual convertible. Volkswagen GTI sees to fit all criteria, and matches the smudge well.

Those are guesses, what do I win if I am correct?

technetium99 says:

07:05 PM, 03/ 1/10

Doh! I missed the convertable & RWD. Okay:

Chevrolet Aveo, 4-cyl, manual, hatch.
Honda Crosstour, V6, auto, sedanish.
Saturn Sky, 4-cyl, manual, RWD, convertible.
Volkswagen GTI, 4-cyl, manual, hatch.

slcmitch says:

07:09 PM, 03/ 1/10

I agree with stovt001.
Scott Oldham probably just put the old cars in alphabetical order, but the new cars on the list don't fit in alphabetically at all. You know, just to mess with us.

subytrojan says:

07:12 PM, 03/ 1/10

"If the criteria are correct, can we get confirmation that the list is alphabetically correct?"

Alphabetical order is not part of the criteria. According to my information, the list may or may not be in alphabetical order.

vt8919 says:

08:25 PM, 03/ 1/10

Chevrolet Corvette Convertible
Honda Crosstour
Subaru Forester
Volkswagen GTI

tantan73 says:

09:09 PM, 03/ 1/10

One of them is a Porsche 930 Cabrio. It's white too.

djimagin says:

02:45 AM, 03/ 2/10

Whatever the top C car is IT IS NOT A CORVETTE. 3 of the cars a 4 cyl. When the crosstour is in the mix that eliminates everything with more than a 4 cyl.

The oddball in the whole equasion is which VW they have and wither its a GTI or an Eos.

I would say the Honda Crosstour and the Suzuki Kizashi are locks.

technetium99 says:

07:17 AM, 03/ 2/10

Agree with the Crosstour as given, and agree that at some point they will get a Kizashi, but it doesn't fit with the criteria.

First starts with "Chev" in the reflection and is a 4 cylinder manual hatch, sedan, or convertible. Since the Cruze isn't out yet the only choices are the old tired Coblat or the just refreshed Aveo.

Therefore Crosstour and Aveo are locks, and GTI is all but a lock (and takes care of the turbo) so that leaves a 4 cylinder manual RWD convertible whose brand starts with "S". No Saabs fit, no Subarus fit, no Scions fit, and no smarts fit. One Saturn does, the Sky. That has to be it.

slcmitch says:

08:50 AM, 03/ 2/10

Didn't they have a Sky a couple years ago?

jstandefer says:

09:26 AM, 03/ 2/10

"Whatever the top C car is IT IS NOT A CORVETTE."

Hey, DON'T KILL OUR WISHFUL THINKING HERE! If it is a Corvette, then that means we won't be reading about a Crosstour for the next year! :-)

white_night says:

11:02 AM, 03/ 2/10

I'm gonna say Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T in white.

temir says:

04:38 PM, 03/ 2/10

Caddy CTS wagon/coupe (non 4 cyl. hatch, automatic) in white
Hyundai Sonata (4 cyl. sedan on a stick) in red
Mini Convertible (4 cyl. convertible on a stick) in white
VW GTI (turbo 4 cyl. hatch on a stick) in white

stovt001 says:

11:07 PM, 03/ 2/10

Right, so we have the Crosstour (sadly) confirmed.

That means we have to have a Chevy or Chrysler, Suzuki or Subaru, and VW or Volvo. On has to be a hatch, on a sedan, and one a convertible, all with 4 cyl engines and manual transmissions, and one turbocharged.

I can't imagine IL not getting a GTI, which takes care of the hatch and turbo.

Neither Suzuki nor Subaru has a convertible, so I assume that would be the sedan. For the record, I'm going with a Suzuki Kizashi.

That leaves a convertible 4 cyl/manual Chevy or Chrysler convertible. The only option there, I believe, is the Sebring. Only reason I could imagine IL getting one of those is to help the Crosstour not seem so agonizingly awful.

The only other option I see is a VW Eos (Volvo is out due to it having a 5 cyl) which would let the Chevy or Chrysler be a hatch. Options there are Aveo, HHR, or Caliber. As the new Aveo is not out yet, that really doesn't improve things much over the Sebring.

technetium99 says:

09:20 PM, 03/ 3/10

And the second is a Miata. Change the Sky to Miata and the rest of my guess is still valid. GTI and Aveo for the win

majin_ssj_eric says:

09:43 PM, 03/ 3/10

I've got my fingers crossed for the GTi...

stovt001 says:

11:23 PM, 03/ 3/10

Shenanigans! Mazda does not fit alphabetically after Mini. I was right, they did lie to us.

stovt001 says:

11:25 PM, 03/ 3/10

I'm calling remaining cars as a Malibu and GTI.

daskiing1 says:

08:10 AM, 03/ 4/10

One HAS to be a Chevy (you can read it in the reflection of the clipboard if you zoom in on the photo), and the other is either a Subaru or Suzuki. My guess for the last 2 are...

Chevy Malibu
and
Subaru Forester
OR
Suzuki Kizashi

stovt001 says:

09:23 AM, 03/ 4/10

daskiing1, one of them has to be a hatch. Also, you're assuming the Miata was at the bottom of the list, but my assumption is that they put it after the Mini, and that they just forgot A comes before I, so Mazda should be before Mini.

jstandefer says:

09:32 AM, 03/ 4/10

I'm going to say that the Miata was listed underneath the Volvo on the clipboard. So, with a Chevy and Suzuki/Subaru remaining, one of which has to be a hatchback and the other a sedan, both 4-cyl (one turbo), there are a few options that I can't distill further. I'm going to say for the last two:

Subaru Impreza WRX (hatch or sedan) or Legacy 2.5GT (sedan)

and

Chevy Aveo (hatch or sedan) or HHR (hatch)

rdryder says:

12:48 PM, 03/ 4/10

I could almost be sure that below the Volvo the letter starts with a "V". Im goona have to go with a GTI and Malibu.

cah11705 says:

02:19 PM, 03/ 4/10

I say remaining cars have to be the kizashi (FWD 4 cyl. Manual) and a chevy hhr ss (FWD Hatch Manual turbo). doesn't make any sense why insideline would want an hhr ss but that works by alphabetical order and fits the categories.

stovt001 says:

10:08 PM, 03/ 8/10

VW GTI confirmed, so looks like the remaining vehicle is a 4 cyl manual Chevy or Chrysler sedan. I call Malibu.

stovt001 says:

09:55 PM, 03/11/10

See I was right about them screwing with us. With the Kizashi confirmed for the final slot, it is very apparent there is no car or manufacturer slotting between the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 and Dodge Challenger. Hence I stand by my earlier statement: "Anyone else beginning to think Scott made up a criteria set that is impossible to fit within the alphabetically ordered blanks provided just to see how high the comment count would rise?"

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