2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS: Not My Camaro

You are not wrong, Kurt...just speaking the plain truth. The new Camaro has a great drivetrain for sure. Too bad it is surrounded by cartoon styling, horrible interior and an expensive IRS that does not make it handle better than the solid axle Mustang. The Pony wars are back....it is fun to watch the carmakers one-up each other just like the 60s-early 70s.

Not wrong at all. Just because it looks good on paper and has the right appearance and has the right features and had to be designed to be "perfect" inside and out doesn't mean it's the right car for you.

I just wish they put as much effort into the Aveo as they did with this Camero.

The current Mustang is already about as fast as the Camaro with 100 hp down.
Next year's Mustang will smoke the Camaro.

Why dont you all trade it for a Mustang or Miata or something? The Camaro bashing is predictable and tiresome and yet no one has been able to explain why people spending their own money seem to disagree with pretty much everything IL has to say about the car. I mean, how does this car even sell more than 100 copies a month when it has no redeemable qualities outside of the engine? Too heavy, too easy to drive, no visibility, too ugly inside, etc. Amazing they are able to sell these things with no incentives based on the LT review here.

We dont even really get to read much about whats its like to drive the car. We get beauty shots and complaints about how this isnt a "real" camaro. Thats kind of funny when you consider the platform and chassis engineers are shared with the G8. Basically this is a G8 in a two door package with more flair and yet no one can come up with anything good to say about the car- oh wait- it has a good ipod interface.

"The current Mustang is already about as fast as the Camaro with 100 hp down.
Next year's Mustang will smoke the Camaro."

Unlikely. The GT500 has been clocked at 4.3-4.4 secs to 60 while the best Camaro time is 4.6secs per MT. GT500 does quarter in the 12.4-12.5 sec range vs 13.1 for the SS. Mustang GT will be very close to SS in performance next year. The Current GT is close in 0-60 but falls behind significantly in the quarter due to lack of hp. I would expect a 4.5-4.7 sec 0-60 and a quarter in the high 12s to low 13s for the 2011 GT. Its no going to "smoke" the Camaro.

"I mean, how does this car even sell more than 100 copies a month when it has no redeemable qualities outside of the engine?"

The Camry is dull as dishwater, but it still sells in droves. Good sales numbers do not negate faults.

"Good sales numbers do not negate faults."

Never said they did. Most auto writers can easily understand why the camry sells. Its perfectly competent as as a famile hauler. That has nothing to do with this car which per IL is an underdesigned (or overdesigned) underacheiver that is so poorly conceived they cannot understand why anyone would buy one with their hard earned money.

Although the legions of IL syncophants will be out in droves to beat me down the fact of the matter is the criticisms make little sense. When they talk about the camaros of old they ridicule the cheapness and the image of the mullet wearing owners. now that the car has matured into a GT coupe they are complaining because its too composed and refined to be a "real" Camaro. If this car had the same weaknesses as the old car they would be saying "what was GM thinking?". The car is far more refined than the old car and they say "what was GM thinking? Bring back the old car". WTF?

Ha! He's back!

This will be great fun watching those who dare to disagree with 1487 be beaten down with his superior logic and intelligence. I'm bowing down in front of my monitor as a type...

Silly Kurt - how could he possibly know that he was so wrong to post his honest thoughts about the car - this will certainly teach him!

Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad car. It's a really good car, perfect even, for the person who's been waiting and lusting after the 5th generation Camaro. But that's kind of the problem. I don't think it has any redeeming qualities past that which will allow it to appeal to people who didn't think they wanted a Camaro.

Only time and sales will tell.

1487... as we have argued against the editors in tandem in the past (particularly over the 'BMW can do no wrong' mentality), I will have to bring that reasoning back up but in this case I agree with Kurt and most of commenters. Just like most BMW buyers, most Mustang/Camaro/Challenger buyers have very little interest in how the car drives. The Camaro could drive like a Camry and still sell in mass quantity, at least through its first couple of years. Look at all the Mustang V6s out there... heck, we've had one in our driveway (a 2005 SCS V6 auto) because my other half thought "it was pretty." I drove that thing once and agreed... it was pretty, and that was pretty much its only redeeming quality. Otherwise, put a blindfold on me and I'd swear I was driving a Taurus with the awful Vulcan engine. My other half didn't care as long as it got from Point A to Point B and looked good doing it.

The new Camaro is like so many modern performance vehicles... refined to the point of pure boredom. Yes, it's very fast. Yes, it holds its line extremely well. Yes, the ride won't kill you. Yes, a mid-corner road surface irregularity won't upset the rear suspension. It does exactly what you want it to do. A Lexus has the same quality. Heck, a good example is the automated sequential transmission... must faster than any human, and much more precise than any human, and can effectively shave track times. But it's boring! I don't think Kurt is saying the Camaro is inferior to the Mustang, just less fun.

"Silly Kurt - how could he possibly know that he was so wrong to post his honest thoughts about the car - this will certainly teach him!"

Who said honest thoughts aren't welcome? My point is why did they even get the car in the first place. No one who is about to spend $38k on a car would do so if they had this many reservations about the car. If no one on the staff even likes the car I don't see why it was purchased. Everytime I ask why the car is selling briskly I get all types of excuses from the junior editors that post in fervent support of every opinion proferred by IL staff but no one can believe that perhaps the formula that Chevy cooked up is one customers are looking for. No, can't be that. Instead I'm told "No, the car really does suck but idiots are buying it becuase they saw it in Transformers" or "They have been waiting for 8 years so they will buy anything". Any answer except perhaps the car isn't as half ass as the posts here indicate.

"I don't think it has any redeeming qualities past that which will allow it to appeal to people who didn't think they wanted a Camaro."

Sports coupes have been on the decline for years- as evidences by the disappearance of numerous models over the past 10 years. By nature such a car has limited appeal. This car seems to be more appealing to those in the market for a compromised car than its competition. They must have gotten SOMETHING right here. To some degree it seems like the Camaro skeptics (and there were many in the auto media) are trying to justify their skepticism by continuing to hold out for the eventual fading of excitement over the car.

jstand:

I see your point but the question becomes: Why is the Camaro being criticized for being a modern sports coupe that has the same supposed shortcomings as its peers? I think most can agree cars today are more tame and refined than ever before. That's just the nature of the business. These auto scribes have beat up car companies for not offering cars that were quiet enough, safe enough, smooth enough in terms of ride quality, etc. and now that cars are designed to address all of those things we get complaints about things going too far. Now we want LESS refinement and more "fun". Just to show you how some people can never be pleased check out IL's opinions about the Z06. They call the car scary and dangerous and hard to control but that's what happens when you design a car that doesn't baby its driver for safety's sake. The Z06 is a powerful tool for experienced drivers but they don't like that either.

In addition, I think the hyperbole is getting a little carried away when we start comparing the Camaro to a Camry or Mustang V6. The chassis is capable and EARLY reviews praised its handling for the most part. Now that everyone has figured out its not a PURE sports car its like the tone has changed and we have people yearning for F bodies.

JStand:

One other point- while the Camaro may be Lexus like in its ride quality and boring handling traits the interior definitely took risks for the sake of style and nostalgia and yet IL can't find anything good to say about it. So on the one hand the car is being criticized for being too safe, too boring, too predictable, too refined, etc. but when it comes to the interior people are looking for a Lexus in terms of style and materials. Thats a little incongruent to me.

I agree with a lot of what 1487 has said. IL bought the car, most of the writers believing it was a pony car, only to find out upon driving it that its a grand tourer. And now they're all pissy. So ya'll take the opportunity to dump on GM despite the fact that the car is actually pretty well executed.

GM seems to do this often – create a car that looks good and puts down great numbers, but just isn’t that engaging. Solstice and Corvette reviews often turn out to be similar to this take on the Camaro.

I don’t think it’s anything fundamental about the cars, just final tuning. The feedback through the steering wheel, shifter, and pedals are a very underrated part of what make a car “fun” (along with fine-tuning the suspension damping). GM apparently has a consistent way of doing it and it just doesn’t work for people who are used to certain other cars.

It’s also a matter of expectations. I feel like this car had the longest launch process in the history of man; with great hype comes great responsibility.

I don't think the Camaro SS will get blown away by the 2011 GT, but it will definitely behind. The GT is lighter with livelier handling. Combine that with better fuel economy and probably better performance, and you don't have much of a reason to buy the Camaro SS unless you just like the look better. People are always going to want muscle cars to feel a little bit raw but perform predictably.

1487... all good points. You'll never satisfy everyone. Look at the current M3 vs. previous M3 arguments. It's pretty similar to this one. Some would rather take the old M3 despite its relative performance shortcomings because it is less refined/more fun, while some prefer the new M3 because it is very refined and you can't argue with its performance capabilities. Again, though, most buy either because it has a blue and white propellor on the hood, not because of their performance capabilities.

I was highly disappointed with the Camaro's interior. It's not bad, but I really had my hopes up after being very impressed with the Malibu, Enclave, and CTS. It is much higher quality than the previous car (I sold the final years of the Firebird/Trans Am), but it looks like each section was designed by a different person who weren't allowed to see what the other designers were doing. I think what I hate most if the steering wheel. It's not just the extreme angle of the spokes, but it's the overall thickness of everything. The hub is huge, the spokes are extremely wide, and the rim is ultra thick. And then they put in the silver accents to make it appear the spokes are thinner. Why? Just put thinner spokes like a proper sporty and nostalgic wheel. Our eyes and hands would have appreciated it. I prefer the Mustang's new refined interior the best, although I like the straight-forward approach of the Challenger.

What I really hate about the Mustang and Camaro interiors are the retro gauges (Mustang is the larger offender, but not by much). Retro is cool, but hard to read. However, Ford is just bad about gauges in general (especially Lincoln's "nostalgic '70s square gauges)... my parents bought an SVT Raptor over the weekend (a purchase solely because of how it looks, although I'll admit it's pretty cool... they will still need to buy the F-250 Super Crew diesel they went in to buy to meet their towing needs). The SVT gauges look cool, but the big bold font makes the numbers hard to read... I thought my dad was just having fun driving it on the freeway faster than he normally does, but he thought the 60 mph marking was 50, and the 5 and 6 in that font do look alike.

@wrinklebump:

Expectations have alot to do with how you perceive a car. If you didn't expect much from a car and it beat your expectations, you're going to think it's great and probably be happy with it. The Camaro performs admirably, but it isn't what they expected from a driving perspective. How can you not be a little bit disappointed?

"Although the legions of IL syncophants will be out in droves to beat me down "

WOW now a persecution complex...are all of the big bad posters being mean to you?

I agree with a lot of what 1487 has said. IL bought the car, most of the writers believing it was a pony car, only to find out upon driving it that its a grand tourer. And now they're all pissy. So ya'll take the opportunity to dump on GM despite the fact that the car is actually pretty well executed.

"It’s also a matter of expectations. I feel like this car had the longest launch process in the history of man; with great hype comes great responsibility."

Just to be clear- owners seem to be satisfied. It's IL who is not satisfied. I think most people who consider this car know its a large V8 powered coupe and not a lightweight sports car. It seems like the "failure" of this car is being exaggerated on this forum. failure according to whom? I understand that people don't want to accept that styling is a major factor for sporty cars but that is reality. The bottom line here is that GM got the styling on this car SO right that many people could care less about its lack of tossability on a track. The fact that it cant go sideways on demand isnt likely a major factor for most folks- few owners of $37k cars spend a lot of time drifting or doing burnouts with their $300 rear tires.

js:

I dont agree that the interior looks like it was designed by committee- I think its a modern interpretation of an old interior. Kind of like what Ford did with the GT or what Mini has done with their current cars. I think the theme is very cohesive but I do understand why some don't like it. I can't say that I'm crazy about it but I can't really imagine this car with a conventional Chevy interior. I have to check out this wheel at the auto show but it seems to be a major point of contention so I hope it gets changed.

The Mustang interior as a whole is superior BUT those gauges have to go in the Mustang and I agree they are worse than the Camaros. In fact, the Mustang has a modern center stack but an old school steering wheel and gauge cluster which is strange. I agree that overall Ford has a lot of work to do on gauges. I don't like the gauges in Lincoln models, the Fusion, F150, Flex, etc.

"The Camaro performs admirably, but it isn't what they expected from a driving perspective. How can you not be a little bit disappointed?"

But based on the fact that its a pony car I'm confused as to what they were expecting. Pony cars or muscle cars were NEVER true sports cars. Even the lauded Mustang isnt a true sports car. As far as I can tell the logic seems to be "any car that looks this good should be a sports car too". I don't think anyone from Chevy has ever called it a sports car nor has any sane person ever confused ANY Camaro with a pure sports car.

I think the Camaro hits a middle ground. It's not raw enough to be a pony car and not refined enough to be a sports tourer. I believe that's similar to some of the complaints about the CTS. It rode to roughly to compare to a Lexus and didn't perform well enough to compare to a BMW.

"Just to be clear- owners seem to be satisfied"

The people who chose to spend their own money on the Camaro versus every other car in the price actually like the Camaro? I'm stunned.

*price range

Oh edit function, how I long for you.

@1487- YOU SAY THE SAY THING EVERYTIME. EVERY SINGLE TIME. Who cares if some people don't like the Camaro. GET THE F*CK OVER IT. The Camaro is a nice car. But everyone doesn't love it. SHOCKER!!! GET THE F*CK OVER IT. It's like someone is talking smack about your family, with how badly you get worked up.

And stop with your sales figure arguments. The Camaro is brand new. It's year over year sales figures will be flat. It sells more than the Mustang. WHHHHEW WHOOO. If GM could build other cars that sold more than their competitors, then maybe they wouldn't have had to be bailed out.

I drove the the new Camaro over 1000 miles. I didn't like it. Oh well. Does it

Mr. Audisport,

Simmer.

Love,

wrinklebump

I appreciate this post from Kurt as much as I like the camaro.

(lively handling and the ability to perform instant, low speed pants-filling powerslides for a start)

I wasn`t expecting this fault from the camaro and that sucks big time.

Audisport............you took the words right out of my mouth. Anybody who gets that worked up over a company that cares nothing for him has serious mental issues.

"I agree with a lot of what 1487 has said. IL bought the car, most of the writers believing it was a pony car, only to find out upon driving it that its a grand tourer. And now they're all pissy. So ya'll take the opportunity to dump on GM despite the fact that the car is actually pretty well executed."

The only ones who are "pissy" are you and 1487. God forbid someone says something bad about GM.....here is a news flash for you.....GM does not care about you and they dont need you to defend them......get over it....not everybody likes Camaros.

1487

"Just to be clear- owners seem to be satisfied."

Please post the link to the survey proving this statement.

I think in the interests of fashion, Chevy over-tired the car. Yeah, the 20 or 21 inch rims nicely fill out those wheel arches, but they also add a lot of contact patch. I wonder what would happen to the fun if you could put some smaller rubber on there to make it a bit more fun.

Incredibly I agree with 1487 here. The Camaro is a great car (horribl interior and lack of nav notwithstanding). The mags have always complained about the crappy quality and lack of refinement in past Camaros but now that the car is refined and well built, they want to complain that its boring. The car companies really can't win for losing.

Look at the 370Z as well. Nissan did pretty much everything the mags wanted (i.e. more power, less weight, smaller dimensions, better interior, etc) and now all they can do is complain that its rough around the edges and not coarse.

I've come to the conclusion that unless you are BMW you just can't build good cars (according to IL and Car and Driver)...

A while back I wrote the following: "the Camaro may be fun to look at, but there's no joy in the drive." That seems to be generally what the Camaro haters are getting at here. There's plenty of joy in driving a Mustang GT, even the current version (i.e. not the 400-plus-hp new one). It feels relatively small and maneuverable compared to the Camaro, the visibility's better, the steering's better, the shifter's better, it sounds better, and the optional 3.73 rear end makes it feel more responsive at low rpm despite its massive power deficit. You gotta give the Camaro its due for the impressive track numbers it cranks out, but personally, I'll take joy over numbers every time.

However, the Camaro's healthy sales numbers thus far suggest that for those who prefer a combination of impressive performance and fresh new styling, the Camaro will do just fine.

-Sadlier

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2009/10/2010-chevrolet-camaro-ss-nothing-to-write-home-about.html

did 1487 ever tell us what he drives, btw?

operators,

Leave him alone; he's VERY sensitive about that topic...

"The people who chose to spend their own money on the Camaro versus every other car in the price actually like the Camaro? I'm stunned."

You'd also be stunned to find out that this car with no redeeming qualities is handily outselling its closest competitor. Hard to believe isn't it? I mean, if you and IL say a car is worthless I fail to understand why anyone dares have a different opinion. Don't they know who you are?

There's a mullet for every seat.
;)

"did 1487 ever tell us what he drives, btw? "

Ask roadburner, he monitors my posts closely and knows EXACTLY what I drive. He brings it up every few weeks.

"Who cares if some people don't like the Camaro. GET THE F*CK OVER IT. The Camaro is a nice car. But everyone doesn't love it. SHOCKER!!! GET THE F*CK OVER IT. It's like someone is talking smack about your family, with how badly you get worked up. "

Well, that settles things. Thanks for the thoughtful comments. Not sure when I said everyone is obligated to love the car- oh that's right I never said any such thing. Read carefully before going on a profane rampage. I said a) there was no point in getting this car if none on the staff like the car b)GM must have done something right because the car has been a success thus far so I fail to understand all the comments inferring that the car COULD be acceptable if only they changed the formula around and essentially made a Mustang clone. Since the car is doing better than the Mustang I would surmise that whatever flawed formula they cooked up is working. But that's just me.

"And stop with your sales figure arguments. The Camaro is brand new. It's year over year sales figures will be flat. It sells more than the Mustang. WHHHHEW WHOOO. If GM could build other cars that sold more than their competitors, then maybe they wouldn't have had to be bailed out."

I like how you incorporated general GM bashing into your statement. You don't have any thing cogent to say you you fall back on the tried and true GM bashing talking points. For the record the CTS and Lacrosse are selling better than the TL/G37. Traverse is outselling Pilot and Highlander. The vette outsells whatever competition it may have and of course Camaro outsells its competition- that seems like a start to me. But I do like your argument- instead of acknowledging current success stories it makes more sense to focus on older vehicles that are in the last stages of their lifecycles. Also, brand new? I would say 8 months on sale fails to qualify as brand new. Will sales slip over time, but all that matters is sales relative to the competition.

"Ask roadburner, he monitors my posts closely and knows EXACTLY what I drive. He brings it up every few weeks."

Extra points for citing me to the last time I mentioned what you drive.
In any event, I no longer mention your vehicle of choice as I know how much it upsets you.

1487:

1. You're fond of saying (over and over and over again) that IL should not have purchased the Camaro since all the editors were already predisposed to hating it. How do you know this? Did they tell you? Can you point out the location on the site where they all stated this before the car was purchased? Shockingly, the basic premise behind this "argument" of yours is false. Are you now suggesting they should immediately sell all cars that aren't beloved before their tests are completed?

2. All criticism of the car by the staff has been specific and clearly indicated as purely their opinion. At no point have they made generalizations pertaining to the entirety of the Camaro-buying market (except PERHAPS in a clearly humorous manner). YOU are the one misinterpreting specific critiques as sweeping generalizations. It is not the editors fault, or ours, that you choose not make reading comprehension a priority.

3. Popularity does not equal quality with regard to cars or anything else. I could quite literally give you hundreds, if not thousands of examples of cars/movies/tv shows/music to illustrate this point. Using sales figures as proof of quality is another flawed argument. There are lots of stupid consumers in the world; look around you.

You are the only person here who has difficulty understanding these concepts no matter how often or simply they are presented. Its a shame you're too obtuse to understand that.

I know you'll try to argue with some mundane statement of "fact" about how I'm biased against the Camaro and GM, or bring up a completely unrelated issue about interior quality or something. Please save the wear-and-tear on your keyboard - everyone here is familar with your typical ramblings.

"Audisport............you took the words right out of my mouth. Anybody who gets that worked up over a company that cares nothing for him has serious mental issues. "

As opposed to those who get worked up after monitoring my posts in each and every forum on this site? Makes sense. Do you ever contribute anything based on YOUR opinions or is every post merely a reaction to my posts? As far as I can tell you don't stand for anything except the fact that you don't like anything I say. Try to be original and formulate your own thoughts.

"The only ones who are "pissy" are you and 1487. God forbid someone says something bad about GM.....here is a news flash for you.....GM does not care about you and they dont need you to defend them......get over it....not everybody likes Camaros. "

Try to follow this if you can (dont hurt yourself): I never said everyone should like the car nor did I say that the car is flawless. I said that all this complaining could've been avoided by not getting the car or acknowledging the car for what it is instead of holding it to some unrealistic sports car standard. I've also said that the people who designed this car must know more than you and the other critics because its had no problems finding buyers. THAT is what I said.

"Please post the link to the survey proving this statement."

As for surveys, check out the comments and owner ratings on edmunds.com, the car rates very highly. Don't think any other coupes have a higher owner rating. And please spare me the "anyone who buys the car will love it" line because if that were the case every car would get a perfect 10 from owners.

"I've come to the conclusion that unless you are BMW you just can't build good cars (according to IL and Car and Driver)..."

Now you are on to something.....Once you put a brand or two on a pedastal you find that any car that doesn't mimic those brands in every respect is lacking. The Camaro isn't a Z, it isn't a 3 series, it isnt a Miata- if it were it wouldn't be a Camaro. If you like those cars they are available for purchase.

"In any event, I no longer mention your vehicle of choice as I know how much it upsets you."

Thanks.

"1. You're fond of saying (over and over and over again) that IL should not have purchased the Camaro since all the editors were already predisposed to hating it. How do you know this? Did they tell you? Can you point out the location on the site where they all stated this before the car was purchased? Shockingly, the basic premise behind this "argument" of yours is false."

Feel free to point out posts that praise the car for anything other than styling or ipod interface. Some dont even like the styling. To me this is a car that was added just because of the hype and it seems like they are determined to deflate the hype machine by reminding us this isnt a pure driver's car. The car was extensively driven before they purchased it so none of these issues were a surprise which means that either a)they were glossing over these problems in the road tests or b)they suddenly realized how flawed the car was after they had to pay for one. Either way this seems like a yearlong effort to defrock the Camaro and show they arent taken by the hype.

"Popularity does not equal quality with regard to cars or anything else. I could quite literally give you hundreds, if not thousands of examples of cars/movies/tv shows/music to illustrate this point. Using sales figures as proof of quality is another flawed argument. There are lots of stupid consumers in the world; look around you."

Never said anything about quality. I said the car is offering what people in this segment are looking for. You can argue against it all you want. Interestingly enough if we were talking about a 3 series or Accord I doubt people would be jumping on my back for talking about sales figures confirming a product is better. The Accord and Camry sell because they are competent and reliable cars- they may not be the best however. The Camaro performs as well as anything in its class and looks better than anything in its class and yet I continue to hear "sales dont mean anything, people will buy a crappy product based on the name". How exactly is this car a subpar effort in the areas that actually matter to pony car buyers?

"You'd also be stunned to find out that this car with no redeeming qualities is handily outselling its closest competitor."

Enough with the hyperbole. Did I say the Camaro had no redeeming qualities? No. Have I said in the past that I like the car on the whole despite its faults? Yes. Seems like a car can have faults and still be likable. I would know. I own a Mini.

To elaborate on my previous comment, I don't put a lot of stock in owner-reviews. Most people putting down their own money on a car are quick to defend it, and it is also unlikely that they have many cars to compare it to. Furthermore, the Camaro is an enthusiast car with an extremely loyal following. I doubt you'll see many owner comments saying, "Gee, I wish I would have bought a Mustang."

C&D lighting lap is out and the Camaro did pretty well. Pretty interesting considering how we have heard so much about its lacking handling traits. It beat the 370Z Nismo and Mustang GT as well as a few pricier European cars. It was only 4 secs off the pace of the M3.

"To elaborate on my previous comment, I don't put a lot of stock in owner-reviews. Most people putting down their own money on a car are quick to defend it, and it is also unlikely that they have many cars to compare it to."

If that were true every car rated by owners would have extremely high scores. Dont insult the owners of the car by assuming they are too ignorant or blinded to acknowledge the car's flaws.

"If that were true every car rated by owners would have extremely high scores. Dont insult the owners of the car by assuming they are too ignorant or blinded to acknowledge the car's flaws."

...and most of them do have higher consumer ratings than they do editor's ratings. How many different cars do you think the average owner drives in a week? What was their last car? How are they interpreting the 1-10 score? All of these things will affect their review. I saw a Honda Civic review where the owner gave a 10 in the performance category? If a Civic is a 10, what does that make a Corvette? 27? The folks at Edmunds are professionals, so is it really fair to point to consumer reviews to argue against the evaluations of experts? The owners may not be ignorant or blinded, but do they have the experience of the average motoring journalist? Furthermore, wouldn't it stand to reason that someone who spent their own money on the car probably have some bias? I seem to recall a certain Saturn Aura owner who regularly put up a very passionate defense of his car on these very blogs...

I think it is the weight that is conspiring against the Camaro's feel. That, and the huge front tires, which always numbs turn-in responsiveness when compared to large front wheels.

If GM could somehow shave 400 lbs. off this car and go with smaller front wheels, I think it would totally transform the feel of the Camaro.

I meant to say smaller front wheels at the end of the second sentence. Duh.

I am super surprised at all the Camaro reviews. Keep in mind I have a 2009 G8 GT which I am very much happy with. I honestly like the Challenger styling and clearer mission then either the Mustang or Camaro. I am also super surprised just how different the Camaro drives then the G8. But there will always be tons of die hard Chevy fans that will scream all the attributes of the Camaro. It a good car just not what everyone wanted it to be.