2009 Nissan GT-R: Benchracing in Extremis

Heh. How did you choose 65 mph? "How do I only show the Z06 going faster?"

It already known that the Z06 pull hard longer than the GT-R and if you make the go longer than a standard quarter mile, the Z06 will
be ahead.

It is also known that if you want to keep the Z06 in front of the GT-R, you must never turn the steering wheel.

"Heh. How did you choose 65 mph? "How do I only show the Z06 going faster?"

Yep, that's exactly what I did. If you enlarge the graph (by clicking on it) you'll see that 65 is almost the exact speed when the Z06 starts to pull away from the GT-R.
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Why the small plateau at 90MPH? Is that a shift?

This isnt rocket science people.

Z06: 3200lbs 505hp/470ftlbs
GTR: 3900lbs 485hp/434ftlbs

The Z06 has a large advantage in power output, a much better power/weight ratio and doesnt have the power sapping AWD. That fully explains why its faster in a straight line, however thats just one area of performance.

When all around performance is considered (which is rare on the net), the GTR is clearly the victor.

P.S. - Neither of these cars gets me hyped up so I have no bias here.

The GT-R looks massive next to the Corvette. Huge, really.

Keep in mind that El Mirage is 2800 ft elevation. The Z06 would put even more distance on the GT-R at sea level.

"It is also known that if you want to keep the Z06 in front of the GT-R, you must never turn the steering wheel."

This is one of the all time best quotes ever! May I will steal it and make it my own?

I always knew the GT-R is just some ricer crap. And who needs to turn anyways. In the real world, people drive straight to go from point A to point B. Make progress. Actually go somewhere.

I never knew someone who took right! left! right! left! to go to Wal-... *WHEEOO WHEEOO WHEEOO* Yes officer. I have a GT-R. But I beat Billy by going left! right! left! rig.. "may I see your driver's license and insurance please." But I'm not done explai "may I see your driver's license and insurance please."

I always knew police officers hate GT-Rs. That's why the ZR-1 is the bestest car ever.

Hate to break it to the Corvette fans, but the twin turbo tech in the GT-R allows you to increase power with a simple software upgrade.

For $995 you can buy a Cobb Tuning map and install in less than 15 min. www.cobbtuning.com

Cobb Tuned GT-R runs about 11 flat 1/4 mile, adding around 65 HP and 70 torgue. So GT-R is faster in a straight line and around curves

For about $4K you could destroy a ZR-1 in a drag race, shame it on a race track, embarrass it on rain/ice and save about 20K

Technology is great.

And of course Nissan getting in on the tuning action -------

Beginning June 1, NISMO will begin taking pre-orders on a new ECU and Transmission Control Module (TCM) for the standard GT-R and its SpecV sibling. According to Nissan's motorsports arm, the ECU increases maximum boost pressure by 0.1 bar (1.5 psi) to crank-up low-end torque and enhance throttle response. The TCM tweaks supposedly deliver quicker downshifts and the speed limiter on the street (i.e. when not running on a GPS-approved race track) has been raised to 320 km/h – or just one tick shy of 200 mph.

But as you'd expect, there's a hitch. Aside from the sizeable buy-in (294,000 yen, or just over $3,000 US), NISMO will only rent the duo of upgraded controllers for a 24-month term. After which, you either return the ECU and TCM units or shell out an additional $329 per year to keep them on board. Both modules are covered by NISMO's warranty and deliveries begin on June 24.

---- tip of iceberg. Nissan will release a boosted version of gt-r with around 600 hp

Cool test. Not what most folks experience, but interesting anyway.

@hondacura4: So what gets you "hyped up?"

K, so correct me if I'm wrong, but when graphing velocity vs. time, the shape of the graph will describe the change acceleration. All of the cars are positive, so every car is going faster with every extra second traveled. The GT-R and Z06 graphs are curving towards a horizontal line, meaning the rate of acceleration is slowing down as they approach some terminal velocity. The ZR-1 is almost dead straight over the range, meaning wind drag/fuel delivery/etc loads against the vehicle are crushed by the engine's power curve. And according to my very scientific method of holding a CD case's straight edge up to the graph, the GT1000 graph is, in fact, curving UP. Presumably the spooling twin turbos provide a wave of power larger than the exponential forces of drag as the engine climbs in revs. That's crazy.

NewQX56owner...and void your warranty in the process. Better save that 20k for the grenaded transaxle...if if can't handle the stock power, it'll surely explode with this upgrade.

Did you really buy a QX56? Wow, you must REALLY love Nissan!! :-)

newqx56owner, there are performance mods for the GTR? Wow! I wonder if anyone would every think of doing such a thing for the Corvette...

newqx56owner, there are performance mods for the GTR? Wow! I wonder if anyone would every think of doing such a thing for the Corvette...

Doubtful, that'd require Corvette owners to possess a rare quality...thoughts.

"Hate to break it to the Corvette fans, but the twin turbo tech in the GT-R allows you to increase power with a simple software upgrade."

NewQX56owner, Id say the majority of todays engines would see an increase in power/torque with reflash/bolt-ons. That ability doesnt mean the VQ38TT has superior technology. A few bolt-ons and a simple tune on a Chevy LS3/7 V8 or a Hondata reflashed/bolt-on Honda K20 I4 will provide substantial gains in power/torque and these engines dont really possess superior techonology.

Of course with just about any turbocharged engine its easier as a simple ECU upgrade or reflash alone will let the engine spit out more power. That was well known before the current GTR. That said, the GTR didnt start the trend.

If you want to throw modifications into the equation, the Corvette wins by a landslide. There are so many different mods available for every aspect of the car, it really has a big advantage for owners that want to play with the car.

The Corvette is actually a good looking car now too. I think the current Z06 looks great, certainly better looking than the GTR.
The GTR has that "rarely seen" appeal to certain people.

I really like the GTR but if I were to choose, it would be the Vette for entertainment value and mods. I'm sure the GTR would hold it's value far longer though.

I actually did buy a QX56 -- in 2004. Still runs like a top.

The point on the mods was that you can do it very easily (literally in 15 min), cheaply, and without any mechanical upgrades or bolt-ons.

My everyday car is 335 (also a twin turbo) and I am considering a vishnu tuning piggyback which increases torque by 100 ft lbs and hp by 80 --- for about $1k.

Given my absence of mechanical ability -- its attractive. And while turbo-charged engines were always easier to mod -- the modern twin-turbo approach appears to solve many of the earlier problems.

While I don't know this, I suspect $/hp mods much more efficient with Gt-R (don't have to resort to bolt-ons as much) And then there is the issue of trying to maintain grip with two wheel power delivery against massive HP.

Do any of the corvetter drivers drive in snow or rain? Do they all live in Arizona?

While I have driven a GT-R, I will likely never own one. Way too easy to go incredibly fast on almost any road surface and/or curve. You start to believe laws of physics dont apply. Don't want to be in jail or dead.

*whoosh*

*whoosh*

That's the sound of newqx56owner grasping at straws.

:)

"It is also known that if you want to keep the Z06 in front of the GT-R, you must never turn the steering wheel.
By thehardcard"

Not too bright, are you thehardcard?

Your juvenile implication that the Z06 can't handle is VERY wrong. The Z06 runs through the slalom at 71 mph, versus the GT-R's 74, and it pulls 0.99g on the skidpad versus the GT-R's 0.96g. Yeah, the GT-R has an edge in the slalom, but keep in mind the Z06 was running its crappy stock Goodyear runflats. If the Z06 had the same super-sticky tires the GT-R has, the Z06's numbers would be significantly better. This has been proven many times already.

The Corvette hasn't been a straight-line only car since 1962 when it had a live rear axle. Get with the program.

"By newqx56owner on June 7, 2009 9:44 PM

And then there is the issue of trying to maintain grip with two wheel power delivery against massive HP.

Do any of the corvetter drivers drive in snow or rain? Do they all live in Arizona?

While I have driven a GT-R, I will likely never own one. Way too easy to go incredibly fast on almost any road surface and/or curve. You start to believe laws of physics dont apply. Don't want to be in jail or dead."

Here's a thought, newqx56owner: Why don't you spend your money on high performance driving lessons, instead of wasting it all on boost upgrades, which are going to cost you a lot more in the long run anyway? You obviously don't know how to drive a high performance car well, with your GT-R comment.

Put it this way: I've driven my '02 Z06 on road courses (tracks) many times, and I'm usually faster around the track than cars with much more power and expense than mine. Why? I'm a better driver. The driver makes more of a difference than all of your NISMO, Vishnu, Cobb, or whatever upgrades.

I encourage you to step away from the keyboard racing, go to your local HPDE at a road course, or even an SCCA Solo II (autocross) event, and see for yourself. When you do, you're also likely to understand and appreciate what the Corvette can do in both environments. It may not be your cup of tea, but you'll definitely learn to respect it.

As for my Corvette, I'll drive it in the rain (again, I know how to drive). The Michelin PS2's I put on it are decent in the rain. The snow? No way. I have a 4x4 Suburban for that, and when it snows I laugh at all the AWD performance cars with their summer tires on, sliding all over the place, thinking they have "all weather" capability with one set of tires, and AWD will save them. Not to mention 8+ inches of snow with a car that has 3 inches of ground clearance doesn't work too well, even with AWD. Amateurs.

hondacura4, you forgot to mention the Z06 have much less aerodynamic drags then the GTR at high speed. The Z06 is a much faster car from a roll in higher speed, you can actually feels the differences, the Vette pull much harder from 60mph on. The only advantage the GTR has is the 4WD and instant low end torque, the GTR wins from 0-80 mph or so, then the Z06 catches it and pull away and never look back, exactly how this post described it. And the Z06 can be modded just as easily as the GTR, the LS7 makes 600 hp with a chip, headers and exhaust. Not to mention the GTR tranny don't last very long with 600+ hp.