It happens every time I drive our long-term Evo X MR.
I approach it with a slight grimace. I can't believe this thing is based on the Dodge Caliber.
And I leave it with an appreciative grin. I can't believe this thing is based on the Dodge Caliber!
Yeah, Mitsubishi deserves a lot of credit for turning one of the most forgettable platforms in recent memory (Caliber, Compass, Patriot, Sebring, Journey...) into a world-class performance car.
Too bad it rides like the wheels are bolted to the frame, as my colleague Mr. DiPietro would say.
Do a search for "Evo X MR Bilstein" and you'll find plenty of plaudits for the supposedly compliant ride that the MR's exclusive Bilstein shocks and Eibach springs provide. Nonsense. This car turns barely visible freeway seams into seismic events. Whap! Ouch. What the hell? The MR's four doors hint at daily-driver practicality, but that's a check the suspension can't cash.
Josh Sadlier, Associate Editor, Edmunds.com @ 18,761 miles
slickersdrip says:
06:40 PM, 06/ 8/09
Sad the folks at SRT couldn't do the same the chassis as Mitsubishi.
Looking at the picture, please ditch that wing.
roadburner says:
06:44 PM, 06/ 8/09
I checked out a new MR at my local Mitsu dealer yesterday; the MSRP was over $43,000(!). For that kind of money I'd buy a very clean E36 M Coupe with the S54 motor for HPDEs and a nice used A4, 3er, or similar for my daily driver.
church123 says:
07:00 PM, 06/ 8/09
I think it's time to retire Sadlier to Consumer Reports. The EVO X is plenty acceptable even in harsher riding GSR form. Cars that are too stiff lose grip over bumps but the X stays stuck over all sorts of rough pavement (or curbing at the racetrack). In fact I think the X has a little too much pitch and roll. It could use a little more stiffness but mitsu clearly wanted to maintain some compliance.
As for pricing negotiate. My GSR stickered at over $37k + tax. I walked out with the car for less $34k with tax and 0% financing.
roadburner says:
07:11 PM, 06/ 8/09
The dealer HAD a GSR that stickered for $34K and it was on sale for $27K. Now THAT'S more like it...
cx7lover says:
07:34 PM, 06/ 8/09
So um like, the GSR rides the same as the MR? I thinks not. I think Sadlier is all a bit to sensitive, touching dashes on cars everytime he drives them and complaining that the MR's ride is horrible..
t10 says:
08:27 PM, 06/ 8/09
there is a new MR sitting on a lot not 5 miles from me right now with a 10K off MSRP sticker in it,meaning these things can be had for 32k.
cx7lover says:
08:55 PM, 06/ 8/09
I should clarify I'm referencing the GSR in the fleet, and the post from another poster..
SadButTrue says:
09:17 PM, 06/ 8/09
@church123,
"Cars that are too stiff lose grip over bumps but the X stays stuck over all sorts of rough pavement"
I don't doubt that this is your experience, but in my experience, the MR actually has a notable tendency to skateboard over midcorner bumps. We all remarked on the Mini Cooper S Convertible's tendency to do this on the MCS/128i comparison drive, and I'd say the MR is worse than the MCS in this regard. There's just no real shock absorption to speak of.
"In fact I think the X has a little too much pitch and roll"
Here I'll agree. Having driven both the MR and the GSR (before all the mods) on the Streets of Willow, I can attest that they both lean more than expected in corners. In part, this could be a function of the sheer height of the Evo. This is a really tall performance car (there's those Caliber roots). It's taller than most family sedans I've seen it parked next to.
@cx7lover,
"So um like, the GSR rides the same as the MR?"
Dunno, I haven't driven our GSR recently. All I know is that the MR bangs and crashes its way over broken pavement, and that's not becoming.
-JS
huyracing says:
10:03 PM, 06/ 8/09
yeah, i too was surprised by the stiff ride.
rsholland says:
05:44 AM, 06/ 9/09
"I think it's time to retire Sadlier to Consumer Reports."
Nope. Keep tellin' it as it is Josh!
This what this blog is about. One man's/woman's passion is another man's/woman's poison. If you like the EVO's Conestoga Wagon ride then great, but others might not.
All too often with hyper-performance cars we get caught up in their athletic abilities, forgetting that the car also has to do daily chores, in which those great "performance" aspects could well be a distinct liability.
kurtamaxxxguy says:
09:34 AM, 06/ 9/09
There's this contingent that wishes Evo to be a fun seeking race track go cart, and one wishing Evo to work on real roads as a real car.
Wouldn't an adjustable suspension allow you to lower it for track duty/glass smooth roads, and hoist it back up so Evo can clear speed bumps and other real world hazards?
Given there are several such suspension setups for the WRX and STI, how about one for your test EVO?
kitw says:
11:10 AM, 06/ 9/09
wow, I'm shocked that you found the MR skipping over bumps. Are you sure they pulled out the spring spacers? I find that my Evo X GSR handles mid corner bumps better than anything else in my fleet right now (09 honda fit and 09 335i)... it does roll a lot but mid corner bumps don't seem to upset it at all. I'd expect the Bilsteins to be better, but maybe not.
church123 says:
05:16 PM, 06/ 9/09
that's just it kurtamaxxguy, the EVO X is in no way a go kart. Mitsu could have made it that way but they chose to give it decent suspension travel and real world bump handling ability. Calling the ride "connestoga like" is just hyperbole. Yes it will tell you about what is happening at the contact patch, especially at low speeds, but it won't buck you around or fight you on bumpy roads. I've put 2k miles ok mine in the last month on mine mainly on the 405 freeway and rank it's ride at speed better than my old G35c, my CRX and about equivalent to my S2000. And while it may not soak up little imperfections like 70 series tires on my Tahoe, it's overall ride and composure are better
tarmacdaddy says:
10:32 AM, 06/10/09
I recently traded in my 03 GSR (CT9A) for a 08 MR (CZ4N). They gave me $13K for my trade-in and knocked off $10K from the $43K sticker. Would I have paid full price for this car? Heck no, but at $33 the car is worth every penny.
There is no denying that the car's roots are from an econo-box; I knew that purchasing my first one. You're paying for what's in front of the firewall, plus the drivetrain that makes this car the "e-ticket" ride. I personally can say that the VIII was much more raw and a 100% attention was needed at the limit. As for the CZ4N, the electronics take care of all that. Good thing too because the steering on the CZ4N is considerably deadened compared to the CT9A. With the Bluetooth, nav, and leather, the newer Evo is much more lux, but needs some more sound insulation to reduce the "whap."
ace47 says:
06:01 PM, 06/10/09
I have to agree with church123. The new X rides nowhere near is harsh as the old one. I thought it was pretty great. Maybe Josh should drive an EVO 9 first.
P.s. This car looks GOOD in black.
ace47 says:
06:05 PM, 06/10/09
And church123, any idea how much power the dual clutch transmission safely handle if one wanted to modify it?
Thanks.
jace88 says:
05:04 PM, 06/11/09
ace47- check with your local evo forums (e.g. evolutionm) and international forums (e.g. evolutionoz) for what various tuners are testing. So far I have heard 270kW atw is the safest for mitsu's ralliart team but rumour has it 300kW can work too. i believe some new zealanders also tried pushing it but not sure how that turned out.