2008 Pontiac G8: Pavement Painter

I did not know Aura came with an LSD. Really?

"I did not know Aura came with an LSD. Really?" You kids and your keeping us (me) honest. Knew I should have been more specific. The Aura would give a peg-legged stripe, but it would do it a helluva lot better than Accord or Camry.
-mike

I knew what you meant mike- the Aure 3.6 has enough low end torque to lay down rubber.

Nice lines. Yes the aura has the the low end torque to lay down rubber which the accord and camry are lacking. American power.

You probably cant "fully" disable the traction control/stabillity in the Camry since its a Toyota product. Im not sure about the Accord - probably the same deal I'd imagine.

I will admit that the Accords VCM V6 sorely lacks low end torque but the 6MT version is seriously underated and would have no problem laying down rubber. The Camry V6 has more than enough low end power.

Im wondering if my Acura CL-S 6MT could compete in this contest? Good low end power and no peg leg stripes due to the LSD.

The Accord 6MT coupe and Nissan Altima 3.5 6mt would almost certainly deliver a "best-in-class" line of tread....simply because the owner would have more ultimate control over the power delivery vs. the automatic equipped 6-cylinders.

I don't see any reason the Aura should be singled out among the camry and accord. The accord certainly wouldn't do much, with it's neutered automatic-equipped VCM V6.....but the Camry? From all accounts, it's practically rip-snorting :)

Joe

Back in high school, I remember I once left a peg legged stripe all the way across a bridge one night with my Grandpa's '90 GMC Sierra....

I just kept feathering the brake and the rear tire (it didn't have posi-trac) and the smoke kept coming. Of course my grandpa wondered why that tire was wearing out faster than the others.

I don't know what the fuss is all about. With an open diff any car without traction control will burn rubber. I am not sure about automatic transmission vehicles, but a Yugo will spin one of its skinny front wheels all day long as long as you keep the pedal down in first gear. I despise the idiotic tire squaling by kids in supped up Civics -- it's not power, it's simply lack of traction. Front wheel drive, cheap tires (Kumho seems more popular every day) and open diff. Plus, crude and cheap chassis design that lack any anti-squat characteristics. Front end goes up, front camber goes positive and the sigle driven wheel can be overwhelmed by a lawn mower engine...

What this picture shows quite clearly is that Australians know how to build a proper performance sedan. With proper RWD, great traction and outstanding power. Which was Mike's point, I believe.

The neighbors must love you!

"I don't see any reason the Aura should be singled out among the camry and accord. The accord certainly wouldn't do much, with it's neutered automatic-equipped VCM V6.....but the Camry? From all accounts, it's practically rip-snorting :)"

The 3.6L makes noticeably more off idle low end torque compared to the Camry's V6. That's why it was singled out and that's why there have been complaints about it's power delivery.

Ummm... is this a post about the Pontiac G8GT?

Yeah but no one owns one so they found other cars to talk about.

I give the CTS a very slight win. Nice job. Since you kept it on the road, you are now officially a better driver than James May.

"The 3.6L makes noticeably more off idle low end torque compared to the Camry's V6. That's why it was singled out and that's why there have been complaints about it's power delivery."

Id personally like to see dyno numbers for both cars as the Camry V6 is very torquey as is the GM 3.6. The torque peak of the GM 3.6 V6 peaks lower in the revs but that doesnt mean the Camry isnt making the same percentage of torque at the same RPM.

To be fair the GM V6 has a slight slight displacement advantage. A lot of variables to consider as torque converters, electronic execution and programming go a long way in terms of seat of the pants performance.

Since when did the Camrys V6 receive complaints and get singled out for power delivery? Easily the best V6 in its class. Great performance and very efficient.

If any V6 in this segment has odd power delivery its the Accord (VCM). The 6MT version however...good GOD!

Toyota doesn't publish their dyno graphs nor is their engine SAE J1349 certified. I've linked the 3.6's dyno graph previously which is from the SAE certified test but here it is again: http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2009/HPT%20Library/HFV6/2009_36L_LY7_AURA_SAE_n.pdf

Chavis - It doesn't make much sense (to me) that the Camry would have less low-end torque. Both engines are naturally aspirated V6's w/o direct injection. They have damn near identical displacements.

So low-end torque should be mostly a function of gearing....if one car has a much shorter 1st/2nd geara and final drive ratio than the other, than I'd expect it to have a much more signicant kick in the pants and "roast-the-tires" ability.

Joe