2008 Cadillac CTS V6 DI: Noisy

I think that your balls were buzzing. Its a Cadillac you idi*t. Get a life and admit that the CTS is the best in its class.

Many cars have rattles and buzzes, but the number of places here seems out of line for a so-called "luxury" car.

that blows

10k miles and already a clunker? Give GM some credit though, it is already a HUGE improvement. In the past, GM cars are a clunker off the showroom floor.

It is already much better, it is getting there. Give GM 15 more years, it will catch up to current Toyota level.

Like this is a surprise,name one GM vehicle in the LT fleet thats not a disaster within months?

The Enclave is GM's "best vehicle ever" and look what a POS that turned out to be.

Rattles or not, I would still buy the CTS over anything Toyota (or Lexus) makes.

The CTS is a great car that's a blast to drive and has loads of character.

Toyotas don't rattle and ....ummm...hmmm.. they don't rattle and ....I guess that's about it.

"I would still buy the CTS over anything Toyota (or Lexus) makes".

And i would do the opposite ,so whats your point?

My point?

Enjoying what I drive is more important then a few rattles.

It would be nice if Cadillac would iron out the rattles but at least they are not dull (anymore).

I rest my case, the CTS has the far more attractive interior, but the C300 has the far better built interior. Good looks don't make a luxury car. Still, if the Caddy stays reliable it is a success on GM's part.

You just ment the whole car didnt you?

"Enjoying what I drive is more important then a few rattles."

FEW RATTLES? see LIST above.

"but at least they are not dull (anymore)."

I agree,they are not dull,they are hideous! over inflated barges with pointy corners and huge fugly lights. trust me ,i do not get American cars.
now Toyota on the other hand? oh yea !!! smooth lines with well thought out design ,and that is why Toyota is # 1 . MOVING FOWARD!

I have no idea how you guys keep picking out GM clunkers. I come from a family that buys GM cars and trucks exclusively (I'm the black sheep of the family by having an SRT-4) and they've never had any problems. My parents currently have a 1999 Camaro SS and 2006 Trailblazer SS and the only issue is the Camaro's window motors needing to be replaced. On the other hand my best friend's 2002 Corolla sees more time at the dealership than in his garage. I'm glad I don't have your luck or I wouldn't ever buy a car again.

"I come from a family that buys GM cars and trucks exclusively (I'm the black sheep of the family by having an SRT-4) and they've never had any problems."

People have different tolerances for problems. Virtually everything that Mike mentioned above could go completely unnoticed by another driver.

Case-in-point-

A close friend of mine has an '06 Equinox. A short while ago I had asked her if she had any problems with it, to which she replied, "It has been perfect- no problems at all." I had the chance to drive it recently. Within 10 minutes, I noticed the following problems: Stuck driver's power mirror, driver's seat track that clacked when weight was shifted, a loose shifter bezel, grinding passenger window motor, a finicky steering-wheel button, and a couple random rattles. But to her, the car was perfect and had never needed a trip to the dealer other than regular service. To me it was a different story.

bimmerjay

Which is why consumer report's reliability ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. People are way too different in the way they think/judge things to try and make up a reliable survey off of them.

This many rattles site a poor build and and insufficient engineering.
Anyway, it's too early in it's lifespan to see if any of the common GM issues seeped into the CTS.

Have you guys tried pressing on the instrument cluster's chrome trim yet? It's a great laugh to do it.

Anyone still think it competes with 5-series BMW? What a joke!

bimmerjay got it, most of that would go unnoticed by 95% of owners. Is toyota4life getting paid???

In my 2006 Cobalt (clearly the opposite end of the spectrum) the closest I come to a rattle is hitting a bad pothole and the tire pressure gauge in the glove compartment knocks against something. Given that no one else has mentioned anything like this in their blog entries on this car, either 1) they got the one odd lemon that also only shows its bad side when Mike gets in the car or 2) Mike's been drinking Toyota4life's koolaid. I drove in my grandma's brand new Rav4 the other day and the NVH made me feel like my head was duct taped to an amp at a rock concert. After riding in that abortion I will never ride in a Toyota again if there is any alternative, including walking. It sounds like someone's just a little nervous GM might actually pull off this turnaround. It makes me wonder, if Detroit actually does fail, what purpose will the automotive media have?

Anyone who claims Toyotas don't rattle or that Consumer Reports readers won't honestly answer the survey need to look at the "squeaks/rattles" part on the newest Camry, LS, and ES. It's not a pretty picture. Seems like GM and Toyota are going to meet in the middle when GM needs to be doing even better and Toyota needs to hold its past ground.

Wk "Anyone still think it competes with 5-series BMW? What a joke!"

Yes it does. When compared to the BMW s series the Caddy has a way better interior. They aren't even comparable.

The guy mentions a few rattles in the car, you can go into any car and find some rattles. That is why these cars are mass produced. If you don't want any rattles, buy a bentley.

so basically the entire car is poorly put together and rattles. It's hard to be believe no one has mentioned this before. The rear seats rattle? I have never heard of such a thing. Squeaks and rattles seem to be an issue for many brands. I have no such issues with my car after 9300 miles. My nieghbor just got a loaded CTS-4 so perhaps I can ask her if it's as crappy as the posters here claim.

if the car is rattling as much as claimed I would have the dealer address the sources of noise.

Way to open up a discussion Mike!

"That is why these cars are mass produced. If you don't want any rattles, buy a bentley."

I don't know about that - I expect a car to be rattle free regardless of its price or perceived quality.

"I agree,they are not dull,they are hideous! over inflated barges with pointy corners and huge fugly lights"

This comment is coming from someone supporting Toyota? LOL inflated barges? Camry, Avalon anyone? What a ridiculous thing to say. I think Edmunds should list each poster's age.

I have personally dealt with all those rattles before on previous cars (except the nav screen one). Maybe this is why you don't get a car in the first MY? I bet now that these are on the road, it will only be minor adjustments to fix for future MYs.

The seat squeek has been with our CTS since the beginning. I also noticed it on the first short-term CTS we had, along with a few on a GM press trip. It would seem to be a common issue.

year one cars always have tons more problems.

Personal, Any poster, who's user name includes a car, or brand in it, esspically with a '4life', is too far biased to have any chance of a good opinion.

My car's driver seat squeeks from time to time but I don't know the cause. Not sure how a fixed rear seat can squeek though. Sounds like this writer pretty much hates the CTS and I'm sure he'll have plenty of support from the established GM haters in this forum. If the GT-R or R8 ever had a squeek, you'd never know it as all the editors continue to post on how people continue to drool over those two vehicles.

Isn't this car still under warranty? I would think a good mechanic with a set of wrenches should be able to tighten up most of the problems listed here inside of a few hours. As to the seat sagging to the left, BMWs are famous for having the seat motors go out of sync and twisting the seats. It can be fixed but it is a huge pain in the can. For sure I would make the dealer repair that as it can get a lot worse and cost a lot of money to repair.

I'm a bit surprised and very disappointed that the quality of this CTS is so poor. There's no excuse for that many rattles so early on. I was planning on buying a CTS-V, but I may reconsider now - I HATE rattles.

This is not terribly uncommon for first year models of any year. I've seen a fair number (not alot) of 2006 BMW e90 3-series owners with similar complaint lists, among other luxury brands.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, my 06 Civic SI at ~50k miles, makes a wide variety of pleasurable noises every time I town down the radio. Rear deck creak? Sunroof Creak? Windshield Creak? Heating/A/C random dash creak? A-Pillar Creak?

It's really a symphony :)

Joe

For those of you implying that Mike is manufacturing evidence of rattles to support his undying hatred of all things GM, consider that his bosses drive the CTS, too.

And saying every car has rattles is a little like saying every government has corruption (a common refrain here in Cook County). You've been programmed to accept poor quality (or corrupt politicians) as the norm.

As an added perspective, our 1994 Accord and 2005 Corolla do not have any rattles of any type. Both are so quiet that the loudest noise is the battery moving around in the garage door opener. On my 1999 Cherokee, it would be easier to list what does not rattle. On my recently departed SRT-4, it was far too noisy inside to determine if there were rattles or not...

Hi Guys... my 2.5 yr. old Toyota Yaris hatchback (yes, a very low price point, but still a Toyota) has a bunch of rattles and buzzes--could be because it's ALL hard plastic inside. It used to bother me, but I decided to just let it go and crank up the stereo. It's funny, in the cold New England winters (shrinkage?) things rattle more than in the hot summers...

"Personal, Any poster, who's user name includes a car, or brand in it, esspically with a '4life', is too far biased to have any chance of a good opinion."

How about username with "hater" in it? Am I bias since I hate everything? :)

If you think the interior of the CTS is better than the interior of the 5-series, you obviously have never been in either. Here is a good fact: the Japanese and Americans will never be able to build in interior like the Germans can.

"Sounds like this writer pretty much hates the CTS and I'm sure he'll have plenty of support from the established GM haters in this forum."

So Mike lists some things making noise in the CTS and suddenly he hates the car as a whole and is trying to destroy the American auto industry? No jumps in logic there.

"If you think the interior of the CTS is better than the interior of the 5-series, you obviously have never been in either. Here is a good fact: the Japanese and Americans will never be able to build in interior like the Germans can."

+1 to your first point. To your second point, I think each "country" typically has a different priority and people will have different preferences for each. Americans seem to focus on cost, Germans on tactility and the Japanese on functionality. I could give a crap about cost, and value tactility and function most. Others' priorities will differ.

Oh look, I'm biased and unable to provide a valid opinion because of my username. :-)

As for the CTS vs. 5-Series, the Caddy has a brighter, more fashionable interior with lots more chrome, but I don't think its materials, assembly, or switchgear quality compares favorably with the 5-Series. The downside to higher fashion is it dates much more quickly. Trendy blue-ringed and tunneled gauges (not that the CTS has those, I'm looking at you Nissan) will probably look really stupid in a few years.

Much like the poor old Silverado, for some reason the CTS, Enclave have gotten lots of miles on them and not much ink. It seems like there's lots of little grievances that everyone saves up and then boom, there's a post that makes the car sound like its falling apart.

Not all cars have rattles, true, but lots of first year model cars have rattles and creaks.

On the 5-series vs. CTS - Well, first off, they aren't the same price point. The 5-series STARTS at 45k. CTS starts at 34/35k.

So let's establish that the real competitor is the 3-series, and that the CTS offers a overall vehicle size between the 3 and 5 series.

I've been in the interior of the CTS. I don't think it has any gimmicky-ness, and it has some real first-rate materials and design quality throughout. I was tremendously impressed with it, and I came in with the "expectation" to be impressed due to all the articles I had read.

Now it has some cheapness, sure. The seat backs are big ol' hard ABS plastic (I hate a hard seat back). But so are the Audi A4 and 3-series.

The switchgear is great. It definitely has more chrome surrounds and shinyness, and that is a GM thing....but then again, the BMW 3-series interior is not exactly what it used to be either. There's cost cutting. The headliner is cheap.

The CTS is far and away the best current example of American luxury-car interior design (I don't love it's exterior). Whereas Audi usually provides the best in German interior luxury design.

Japan doesn't really have a "leader" in interior design....though the current Lexus IS series has a beautiful front seat, center console, dash, steering, gauges, etc.

Just my opinion....I wouldn't de-ride Cadillac for simply going in a different direction, but doing it quite well.

And, as always, for the record, I'm a BMW Car Club of America Member, who owns a Subaru legacy GT (08) and a Honda Civic SI (06).

Joe

Just follow this golden rule:

dont buy model year 1 cars. esspically early production. Thats a recipe for trouble, and its not just domestic's that have the problem, EVERY company has them.

Just wanted to address a few points here:

a) I am sensitive to rattles. Some people might not mind them as much. They drive me crazy.

b) the rattle from the rear seats could be from the rear parcel shelf. It's hard to tell.

c) I really like the CTS. Giving it a free pass because I like it is as bad as digging for insults on a car I hate.

- Mike

Shoot, I've got a 325i sport package from the last year of the E46 model (2005) and when I start it in the morning and drive off, there are two distinct rattles in the car. As the car warms up, they disappear, but they sound so horrible initially. The car is solid, but those rattles do dismay in what is an otherwise very nice car. So much for year 1 rattles and squeaks.

"I'm a bit surprised and very disappointed that the quality of this CTS is so poor. "

This is the first quality issue they have really mentioned. What are you talking about?

"If you think the interior of the CTS is better than the interior of the 5-series, you obviously have never been in either. Here is a good fact: the Japanese and Americans will never be able to build in interior like the Germans can."

Seems like you are open minded. I've been in both cars and the CTS' interior is better hands down. The CTS has a more inviting feel, better ergonomics, better gauges and more style. The 5 is great from a materials standpoint but average from a design standpoint.

"Americans seem to focus on cost, Germans on tactility and the Japanese on functionality."

I think its a little difficult to sum things up with such generalities. Not all American interiors are solely focused on delivering the cheapest end product. The interiors of the CTS, STS, Enclave, Vue, MKS, Flex, etc. are very nice.

I agree with Mike - rattles drive me crazy.

I'd take the 5 series interior over the CTS, but really its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other.

I dont think anyone is suggesting the complaints are totally fabricated but it's simply hard to believe these issues are just being mentioned after 10k miles if the car is rattling so badly. Do other drivers simply have the radio turned up?

"As for the CTS vs. 5-Series, the Caddy has a brighter, more fashionable interior with lots more chrome, but I don't think its materials, assembly, or switchgear quality compares favorably with the 5-Series. The downside to higher fashion is it dates much more quickly. "

There isnt that much chrome inside the CTS, the swtichgear and materials feel substantial and I do not applaud automakers (such as BMW) who want to stick to the same gauge design for 10 years or more. BTW, let's remember BMW made a radical (some might say trendy) design shift when they started doing the plain interiors focused around the center screen and iDrive. If automakers dont innovate there is no point in having new models. I see nothign trendy about the CTS' interior. The Civic has an interior that will look ridiculous 5 years from now (I think it's a little silly looking now) but I see nothing that would make the CTS seem dated in 5 years. Just because German cars are on one end of the stylistic spectrum doesn't mean that the CTS is totally outrageous because Cadillac injected a little color and warmth into the interior design.

"The Enclave is GM's "best vehicle ever" and look what a POS that turned out to be."

They had one issue in 20k miles or so. That's a POS? If you had any credibility left I would say you risk undermining it with such stupid comments.

I will preface my comments by saying that I am very sensitive to rattles and notice every little thing.

With that said, I have NEVER driven or ridden in a car that didn't have some sort of rattle/squeak. This includes brand new cars from BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Toyota, Infiniti, Acura, Honda, etc. Every single one of them had at least minor rattles. Other people might not notice them, but I do. So those of you claiming you own cars with no rattles just aren't listening closely enough. Trust me.

I have one question?

If the CTS is so noisy, how come I haven't heard the same complaint about this coming after editors drive the Accord? Honda is notorious for the amount of road noise that comes with owning an Accord. Is Mike saying the Accord is quieter to drive than the CTS?

In addition, that is quite a list provided. Imagine I have had my XR now for over 19 months, and, guess what no rattles at all, but maybe I'm just not listening closely enough.

I can't wait to hear the complaints once Edmunds gets a new Camaro :)

"If the CTS is so noisy, how come I haven't heard the same complaint about this coming after editors drive the Accord? Honda is notorious for the amount of road noise that comes with owning an Accord."

I believe the issue of road noise in the Accord has been commented on before, but I don't have an exact blog post reference for you. IMO, road noise is a different ballgame from rattles.

That being said, I don't recall any rattle comments for the Accord.

"They had one issue in 20k miles or so. That's a POS? If you had any credibility left I would say you risk undermining it with such stupid comments."

That "one issue" happened to be a power sterring failure. I dont know about you, but I like using the sterring wheel when i drive a 5,100 crossover.

aurakr You cant hear rattles over wind noise

"That "one issue" happened to be a power sterring failure. I dont know about you, but I like using the sterring wheel when i drive a 5,100 crossover"

It was only the power assist that failed, not the steering. Annoying yes but not a huge issue as long as it's covered undered warrantee.

For those of you bothered by every little squeak or buzz, how do you get through life without going nuts?

Nothing is perfect (as bloodyr says, all cars squeak or rattle somewhat), why get so worked up about the small stuff?

I can't believe all of these PRO-GM people jumping on the OP of this blog post because they pointed out a major build flaws in the CTS. A car shouldn't have THIS many rattles. Period.

And anyway, the Powersteering died and made a the situation dangerous, and good ole GM tried to fix the problem as cheap as possible, prompting another visit when that didn't work.

Not all cars squeak and rattle, A4=tight as a drum, no rattles or squeaks to be heard, and YES I would know about a rattle, because it bugs the s*** out of me.

CX7lover, we're questioning Mike because he is the only one to mention this. Notice JRiz only confirmed one noise location in his post. Do you really think anyone in the auto media would pass up a chance to point out a problem in an American vehicle? If he confirmed it fine, I'd accept it, but if its not even acknowledged by the others on staff, I can't find it credible.

As far as the power steering problem on the Enclave, is that any worse than the tranny going out on the fit and making the driver back the car out using Flintstone-style foot pushes? Or the Ridgeline's shocks blowing out on a mild dirt road? I don't think those failures make those vehicles a POS (especially the Fit, which I like very much) so why should one problem make the Enclave a POS? Oh right, because its an American car and is therefore held to a different standard.

JRiz, I'd like to hear how the rattles in the CTS compare to the other first year cars you've driven for the Long-Term fleet. How noticeable are they?

I'm a fan of the CTS and Cadillac, but if the build quality is significantly sloppier than similar cars, that's a deal breaker.

" we're questioning Mike because he is the only one to mention this. "

Getting senile are we?
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2008/05/2008-cadillac-cts-noisy.html

"That "one issue" happened to be a power sterring failure. I dont know about you, but I like using the sterring wheel when i drive a 5,100 crossover."

One issue is one issue. Someone said the Enclave has been a total POS and inferred that it's been unreliable. I do not call one issue in 20k miles unreliable. You really need to watch who you are defending.

"I'm a fan of the CTS and Cadillac, but if the build quality is significantly sloppier than similar cars, that's a deal breaker."

drive the car yourself. Check other sources. MT has a long term CTS and has mentioned nothing about rattles so far.

"Oh right, because its an American car and is therefore held to a different standard."

Exactly. I expect no futher responses from the GM bashing crowd. Every time a foreign branded vehicle has an issue we get excuses or explanations and people say the problem is an isolated incident. As soon as the CTS rattles people start talking about the "poor" quality of the CTS and Enclave.

"I can't believe all of these PRO-GM people jumping on the OP of this blog post because they pointed out a major build flaws in the CTS. "

"major" build flaws? Your penchant for hyberbole never ceases to amaze. As numerous intelligent people have noted here rattles can be found in all brands of cars. Not sure how you have surmised that the CTS somehow has "major" build quality issues. Stop the exaggeration and just admit you want to amplify every problem on a GM vehicle. Did they lay you off at some point?

"Not all cars squeak and rattle,"

For the record, owners of non GM cars were the ones who said they have experienced rattles in their cars. Did you catch that? C&D had a long term GTI and said it was rattling from the very beginning and they could never find the exact source. My last car had one occasional rattle in the headliner over the course of 6 years and 48k miles. It had some issues, but rattles were not really among them.

"elfjon on August 19, 2008 9:21 AM
If you think the interior of the CTS is better than the interior of the 5-series, you obviously have never been in either. Here is a good fact: the Japanese and Americans will never be able to build in interior like the Germans can."

elfjon, I HAVE been in both cars, and the CTS interior is vastly superior to the 5-series. The 5-series interior is OK, but its extremely BLAND. From a styling standpoint, there's really nothing impressive about the 5-series interior. Nothing stands out in that cabin that makes you think "wow, that looks nice." It's teutonic, functional, and BORING. It also doesn't convey to its occupants that its a $45k+ car.

The CTS interior has modern classy styling. It's eye catching, and appealing. It's sporty, looks rich, and has unique styling touches, while also being functional. Like the way the center console sweeps up into the upper dash and cleanly flows into to the rest of the dash. The individual temperature displays. The french stitching on the dash and doors. The African Saeppele wood. The just right amount of chrome around the gauge bezels. The nicely integrated pop-up NAV screen.

Much nicer and more interesting to look at than just a flat plain dashboard with a big gauge binnacle sticking up like the 5-series has.

BMWs my have many virtues but compelling interior design is certainly not included. The 3 and 5 interiors are as exciting as a bowl of vanilla pudding. There is no style and nothing that tells you you're in a luxury car. This does not indicate the quality of materials, but from a design perspective, you don't get the sense you're in something special. Contrast the new A4/CTS interior with the 3 and there's no comparison in aesthetic appeal.

I'm still confused about Mike's "sensetive ears" phenomenon and will wait for further corroboration before jumping to the insane conclusions of some of my fellow posters with wild imaginations (i'm guessing those folks have also seen Big Foot taking a stroll through the woods). Anyone that thinks one example is indicative of an entire run of vehicles is beyond clueless. Buying a car is basically a glorified crap shot. If you pick the silver one versus the blue one, you could've just sacrificed a problem free example for a complete lemon. My '05 was completely squeek free but my '07 has a noisey driver seat- same model car, same generation.

chavis10 - well put at the end. Like I said somewhere else...

chance is ANY car you buy, can easily get to 100K+ miles with 0 problems.

that chance you get a lemon, is nearly the same, no mater what brand you get.

Not only that, first model year cars, esspically early builds always have more problems then year 2+ cars.

I've been following the mspd3, yr 1 (2007) was terrible, bad motor mounts, fuel pump issues, one of the valves had problems and would throw codes, the rear bar passanger side bolt would come loss.

the 2008's elimated almost all the problems

op- be careful, it's blasphemous to criticize Mazda products. My '05 had 3 cracked engine mounts but the problem has been solved for later models and my '07's driveline is smooth as butter and very superior to the '05. Feels like a completely different vehicle. Unlike others, I understand the process of addressing flaws when launching brand new vehicles on substantially modified architectures. Anyone with a modicum of automotive knowledge can easily follow this trend with various new models from all makes. That said, we would have to further investigate the issues Mike has brought forth before people begin to claim that all CTS models have poor build quality.

well fortunately for those who have a second career as American car critics no corroboration or details are necessary. A few rattles in the CTS proves that this model and GM models in general are poorly constructed.

The only issue that effected all MS3's was a bad motor mount bolt, other than that I've been talking to a few techs and the other issues are not widespread.

"major" build flaws? Your penchant for hyberbole never ceases to amaze. As numerous intelligent people have noted here rattles can be found in all brands of cars. Not sure how you have surmised that the CTS somehow has "major" build quality issues. Stop the exaggeration and just admit you want to amplify every problem on a GM vehicle. Did they lay you off at some point?

You tell me where more than 8 things are rattling in a new car with a sagging back seat, and if you don't chalk that up to a poor build you're just too big a of a fan boy not to. The MDX and TL had some nasty rattles, and still do. Audi's and VW's are built different no matter what you or anyone else thinks. I have no need to amplify anything, It's already been amplified.

1487- you're a fanboy even though cx7lover spends his free time chatting up Mazda techs. Go figure...

My vehicles:

- 1995 Honda Civic Ex sedan with fully adjustable Tein coilovers on the firmest setting. The car doesnt rattle or squeak.

- 2002 Honda S2000 doesnt rattle top up or top down.

- 2003 Acura CL Type-S 6MT had a sunroof rattle right after I purchased the car new. Common issue, it was fixed with double sided tape and 50K miles later no rattles.

- 2005 Honda Odyssey Touring had more than a few rattles in the rear upon delivery. Currently no rattles at all.

I know Honda has had a lot of complaints regarding rattles in the past 4 or 5 years but I really think it the newer plastics vs overall build quality. The Germans tend to exceed here as their cars are usually very solid.

My vehicles:

- 1995 Honda Civic Ex sedan with fully adjustable Tein coilovers on the firmest setting. The car doesnt rattle or squeak.

- 2002 Honda S2000 doesnt rattle top up or top down.

- 2003 Acura CL Type-S 6MT had a sunroof rattle right after I purchased the car new. Common issue, it was fixed with double sided tape and 50K miles later no rattles.

- 2005 Honda Odyssey Touring had more than a few rattles in the rear upon delivery. Currently no rattles at all.

I know Honda has had a lot of complaints regarding rattles in the past 4 or 5 years but I really think it has something to do with the newer plastics vs overall build quality. I do agree that the Germans tend to excel here as their cars are usually very solid even in older German cars.

Typical American/Domestic Filth!!!!

GARGAGE, POS!!! Lemon! Whatever you wanna call it, this is par for the course for the Big 3.

My Honda didn't have rattle issues after I took it back for ONE warranty visit. It was completey rattle free after that initial rattle issue.

My Audi has always been rattle-free. Not one rattle.

The Dodge I had... couldn't count the rattles on 10 hands!

A car that starts at $34,000 with only 10,000 miles on it should NOT have that many rattles.

I agree that all cars rattle to some extent, but if you're trying to create a "luxury" brand, it shouldn't sound like you bought it at Wal-Mart.