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2007 Honda Civic GX: Figuring Fuel Economy With Phill


A full tank is 20 lighted bars on fuel gauge. Each represents 0.368 gallon.

The city inspector has signed off on it, so our Phill home natural gas pump is officially up and operating. For the 1,395 miles the Civic GX has traveled since at-home refueling began, average fuel economy has jumped by a little more than 3 miles per gallon – an extra 21 miles per tank  as best I can figure it.

Warning: What follows is a lengthy discourse on how we are computing fuel economy with a system that doesn't tell us how many gallons are being pumped into the tank.

For those who don't care about the how,  the net result is that we're now averaging 29.38 miles per gallon in our compressed natural gas Civic GX after 13,562 miles, up from a little over 28 mpg at 10,000 miles. The boost comes mainly from the average of 32.34 mpg we're recorded over the 1,395 miles that we've been using the Phill.

If you do care, or are hoping to catch me in an error (not hard to do), feel free to read on 'til your eyes glaze over.

Physics explains the jump, but I'm not a physicist, so the best that I can do is pass on the explanation I received from Eric Rosenberg, assistant manager of American Honda's alternative fuels unit:

The Phill pushes more compressed natural gas into the car's tank than does a rapid-fill pump at a retail station;  so even though the fuel gauge reads full with either type of fill-up, there's more fuel, so more miles per gallon, in a tank filled by the Phill.

It's all about heat and pressure.

The Phill reads the pressure in the tank and fills until it hits 3,600 pounds per square inch.  Because it is a very slow fill, averaging the equivalent of just 0.4 gallons an hour, the Phill doesn't cause much of a heat build-up in the tank.

Retail pumps, however, shove the gas in at a rate of close to 2 gallons per minute, which causes a heat build-up which causes the internal tank pressure to rise which fools the pump into thinking the tank is full when it isn't. Additionally, the retail pumps merely pump til the fuel tank pressure is equal to the pressure in the pump's storage tank, and that's often well below 3,600 pounds

I've put 1,395 miles on the GX since the first fill-up with the Phill, and under a system co-developed with Honda's Rosenberg, figure that it's pumped the equivalent of 43.138 gallons, for a fuel economy average of 32.34 miles per gallon.

We averaged 29.05 mpg for the first 12,173 miles we put on the car and had been seeing fuel economy increase a little with each tank. 

The denser Phill fill explains the fuel economy increase, although, as Rosenberg admits, there's no easy way to get a really accurate read on gallon-equivalents delivered by the home pump.

Some gas utilities provide a separate meter for it, but here in Southern California, the Phill unit is hooked into the home meter, so it's hard to figure out exactly how many therms went into the car versus the hot water heater, clothes dryer, stove-top, gas fireplace and whole-house heating system. Best you can get is a pretty good estimate by comparing several years of gas bills on a month-to-month basis, and I've not received a new bill since I started using the home system.

Using the Civic's fuel gauge isn't any more accurate.

It has 20 bars that all light up when the tank is full, and then disappear one by one as the compressed natural gas in the tank is depleted. But with the Phill, at least with our Phill, the system shuts off and registers full when 19 of the bars are lighted.

Rosenberg says that he's received a mix of reports from GX users, with many others also reporting that their cars' tanks appear to be full when  that penultimate 19th bar lights up and that they never see the20th bar.

Amber light and no bars means you're into reserve of about one-half gallon.

We know that the GX's tank holds the equivalent of 8 gallons but that only about 7.5 gallons are usable. "Approximately" half a gallon always remains because by the time you get down to it, the pressure in the tank is too low to deliver it, Rosenberg says.

What's more, an undetermined amount of useable CNG – somewhere between 0.25 and 0.75 gallon – remains in reserve when the last bar disappears. I've driven 20 miles with a blank gauge, but the mileage depends on a slew of variables including ambient temperature and the vehicle's acceleration and braking pattern.

So the system we've come up with is a pretty straightforward averaging.

Because we've determined that our tank is full at 19 bars on the fuel gauge, with perhaps a gallon equally divided between the useable and unusable reserves, we've divided the remaining 7 gallons by 19 and assigned a value of 0.368 gallons to each bar. If nine bars have been depleted since the last fill-up and all 19 are lighted again when the Phill says the tank has been refilled, we multiply 0.368 by 9 and come up with a value of 3.312 gallons.

If the tank is run deep into that last half-gallon or so of reserve, we add it in and use 0.385 gallons per bar to calculate that fill-up.

This isn't exact – the Phill fills by reading tank pressure and the pressure is higher when the tank is half full than when it is empty.  That means that the last bars of a fill up contain a little less CNG than did the first ones. It all averages out in the tank, but means that by assigning a static value to each bar we get a reading that's slightly off when the tank is refilled before it is completely empty.

But, as Rosenberg says, "that's the best you can do."  Not even the alt fuels team at Honda, which has a vested interest in knowing as much about the GX, the Phill and CNG refueling as possible, has come up with a better method.

So until someone out there develops a gas flow meter that can be attached to the Phill's nozzle and gives an accurate gallons-equivalent reading, this is what we'll be doing.

I have emptied the tank as much as possible on two occasions since the first Phill fill (a Phill-up?) on February 28, logging 228.2 miles on the first tank and diving deep into the reserve, and  203.7 on the second., traveling only about a mile after the last bar on the fuel gauge disappeared. 

The rest of the time, I "plug in" the Phill's nozzle and turn it on when I park the car each evening, usually refilling somewhere between 8 and 11 bars overnight.  It can take 19 hours to refill an empty tank, and form 9 to 12 hours to do half a tank.  The last half fills more slowly than the first half because the pressure in the tank builds as it fills, and the flow of gas from the pump nozzle slows as it meets resistance.

If you can possibly want to know anything else about the Phill and how it works, the manual is available on-line and you are welcome to it.

If you've got a better way to compute mileage, or find a significant error in our methodology, we want to hear from you, so shoot me an e-mail.

John O'Dell, Senior Editor, Green Car Advisor @13,620 miles

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11 Comments

thebigal says:

03:02 PM, 03/21/08

well - it might be complicated to figure out your mileage, but at least your gas gauge reads accurate. I remember driving my grandpa's old propane fueled farm truck that had the tank in the bed. It had a gauge directly on the tank that you would have to glance back at to see how much gas you had left and that gauge wasn't very accurate. We filled up at the farm where we had two monstrous propane tanks that fueled several tractors and other assorted vehicles.

johnmarco says:

04:07 PM, 03/21/08

Your method seems sound to me, and 30 MPG is certainly nice, but not unheard of, even among non-hybrids. I know you mentioned it's going to be difficult to get an accurate fix on cost, but will this save anyone any money? I guess what I'm asking is, what is the motivation for the CNGs? Are they ultra-friendly to the environment? I know for you it's an experiment, but why is Joe 6-pack going to choose a CNG, with all the hassle you've detailed, when he could choose a hybrid, or even a non-hybrid Civic, and still get great mileage?
 
ps -- why the devil is the Edit box so small?

roar02ram says:

07:11 PM, 03/21/08

Okay, John - umm, so does this mean that you'd be able to calculate how much Phill is costing you every month in fuel?

rollem83 says:

10:49 PM, 03/21/08

All cars have to be OBDII compliant, right? What does a scan gauge say when you hook it up? It's got to have some sort of way to measure how much fuel is delivered to the engine.

ahightower says:

05:36 AM, 03/22/08

Ditto. Appreciate the mileage info, but also need to know how much are you paying per gallon to determine if it's worth the limitations of living with a natural gas powered vehicle.

estreka says:

09:18 AM, 03/22/08

Rollem is on to something. Perhaps you're going about this the wrong way. Instead of seeing how much gas you have left, see how much you've used. This could be tremendously difficult without the right equipment, though.
 
Avg RPM * Total Minutes * Fuel per RPM = Total fuel used
 
While your system is flawed, I find it effective enough. Sometimes it's better to be 'good enough' than perfect.

joebar says:

07:39 PM, 03/22/08

I don't see why Honda doesn't understand how to measure compressed gas fuel. I learned that in high school filling propane tanks. One word, weight. You fill compressed gas tanks by weight. It's the only accurate way to measure a fuel that varies by volume. Essentially what you just explained is that you can put 10 lbs of gas in a one gallon volume if you fill it quickly and heat things up or you can put 12 lbs of gas in the same one gallon if you fill it slow and keep things cool (assuming a constant final pressure of 3600 psig as you are). Simply weigh the car before you fill and again after. You'll have an exact weight of fuel regardless of tank 'fullness'. You could then calculate the ideal volume of gas at 3600 psig, 70 deg F and convert the mass to a number of gallons. Or you could take that mass, calculate miles per pound, report economy in miles per pound with an assumed miles per gallon equivalent based on the ideal volume you came up with.
  
I realize 4 scales with the capability to measure that kind of weight aren't easy or cheap to come by, but they make some pretty simple industrial scales that are little more than mats with a remote electronic box. Position them where you park each time and you're good to go. I would guess accuracy within a tenth of a pound would be more than sufficient.
  
PS The way you are currently calculating will vary with ambient temp as well. While the difference between 60 and 80 won't be much, the difference between 40 and 90 would be almost 10% with the tank showing full sooner on the hot days for the same reason you gave with the fast/slow fill problem.

seymore1 says:

01:18 PM, 03/26/08

How much electricty does PHILL use during a 14 hour fillup? There are maintainance costs associated with PHILL.
These added costs should be added to the cost of using PHILL for an accurate comparison of refueling.

thebundo says:

02:33 AM, 05/ 5/08

You don't get more mpg by getting more fuel in the tank with Phill. It's an illusion, since fast-fill pumps get less in than Phill does, yet both read full on the gauge, it simply stays on full longer when filled with Phill.

freedml says:

07:41 PM, 06/10/08

Wow. So much to comment on.
 
First, my credentials. I have owned 2 Honda GXs for almost 4 years. I pump at home and occasionally use commercial stations.
 
Yes, trying to calculate exact fuel economy is not possible with commercial dispensers or the fuel gauge. If you really want to do it 'right' you need to put a meter on the inlet side of Phill. Such inexpensive meters (under $100) are available on eBay. For what you are trying to do, it would be worth it.
 
Yes, weight is one weigh to go (ha ha) but measuring +/- a few pounds on a several thousand pound car is not practical. When the county checks the accuracy of a dispenser that's how they do it.
 
I'm guessing you live in SCE territory since your electricity costs are so high. In LADWP land it's a lot less.
 
The Gas Company gives you a discount on ALL your gas, so you save on heating, cooking and hot water as well.
 
Better fuel economy when filling at home could be due to a higher Methane content of the gas if it's a different supply line. I also seem to get better economy (or at least range) in cooler weather.
 
Phill is a real crapshoot in terms of how many gallons you will get out of it before having it changed out at $1600.
 
The convenience of filling at home is almost priceless. Imagine how much more priceless it will be if we ever have 'gas lines' again like in the '70s!
 
I think my fuel cost is closer to $1.50/gge.
 
CNG Advantages:
HOV Lane solo access (some states and models)
Lower price for fuel
30% less CO2 emissions than gasoline (I don't think this is important but lots of people do)
Less CO, HC emissions
Cleaner engine (less frequent oil changes, etc)
Fuel at home convenience
Mostly North American supply
Utility controlled rates/long term price stability
Lower rate on household NG usage
Park free at meters in some cities
Curiosity factor

freedml says:

08:03 PM, 06/10/08

Ok, I read the rest of the blog and took notes this time...
  
There is only 1 station from LA to SF ON THE 5 (ok, 2 if you count Santa Clarita). There are plenty of stations on the 99 and enough on the 101. Santa Clarita to Los Banos is a stretch in a Civic GX.
  
Along with tax incentives and rebates, there is also a $2000 subsidy for buying Phill.
  
The GX was a fleet car before it was offered to the public. The only option used to be ABS which I guess is now standard. That a 'bare bones' car HAS power windows, power door locks, a CD player and cruise control is praiseworthy, not pathetic.
  
An aside -- people are so interested in Hydrogen cars. Where does the Hydrogen come from??? Natural Gas!
  
Taxis and vans use Natural Gas mostly because a certain percentage of their fleet has to be 'clean.' I've seen many cabbies grouse at the short range of their Crown Vics. I bet they're happier now with gas prices what they are!
  
If you want to drive a GX in Northern California, you NEED a PG&E card. Their stations don't take regular credit cards.
  
Life with a GX means upgrading to AAA Plus. My wife was low on fuel and went to 3 stations which were either broken or long gone when she ran out of gas. AAA got her to a station after several more tries.
  
We now have cngprices com which is a great up-to-the minute map of CNG station prices and availability (read: is the pump up today?)
  
We also have cngchat com which is THE place to find out more.
  
You mentioned Phill and 240vac. Mine runs on a regular 120vac outlet.
  
The dealer probably quoted you for a gasoline B1 service. The extra two filters are CNG filters. Honda's recommendation to replace them that often is based on a worst-case scenario of oil and water not being taken out of the gas.
  
The stations in San Fernando and Riverside are still $2.00/gge or less. Not Clean Energy-run, needless to say!

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