After spending Friday and Saturday doing battle with our long-term Civic GX's painfully positioned handbrake lever, my right knee cried uncle. So I visited the accessory department at my local Honda dealer and managed to find the somewhat unconventional kneepad depicted above. Tell you what -- the difference was night-and-day. I hear Honda's considering making it a standard feature next year.
Interestingly, Japanese drivers have to make do with the same obtrusive handbrake -- check out this shot of the JDM Civic Type R's interior.
I had assumed it was just a left-hand-drive issue, i.e., Honda had left the JDM center console design unchanged for our market. Guess not. Maybe it's more of a long-legged American issue.
Since this is going to be the first GX post that completely ignores the main reason we bought the car -- namely, the fact that it runs on natural gas -- let me conclude with a few words about its stereo. This is seriously the best two-speaker stereo I've ever heard. I was cranking Pitbull and Lil' Jon's "The Anthem" all weekend, and it was a party in there. I even checked the owner's manual to see if the GX shared the Civic Si's premium audio system. I know that's hard to believe, but trust me -- I'm pretty picky when it comes to car stereos. If you get a chance, cue up some bass-heavy music in a GX (with the bass turned all the way up, of course) and prepare to be impressed.
Josh Sadlier, Associate Editor, Edmunds.com @ 14,275 miles
estreka says:
04:45 PM, 03/31/08
I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying. Has Josh finally inhaled too many natural gas fumes?
daytona_500 says:
07:17 PM, 03/31/08
How much did that handbrake pad cost?
opfreak says:
08:47 PM, 03/31/08
wow, on jap cars, theres a fix for their issues. On a gm product this would be stupid engineering.
chevy598 says:
08:48 PM, 03/31/08
That's a golf club cover for a 3 wood. You can see the number 3 on it.
cx7lover says:
09:13 PM, 03/31/08
Only if they made one just for your leg, then we wouldn't have to steal golf club covers off of a 3 wood.
sadbuttrue says:
09:23 PM, 03/31/08
Daytona,
My Callaway Steelhead 3-wood ran me about $160 back in the day. It was a closeout at Golfsmith, so they threw in a generic head-cover instead of the real thing. It's quite plush, as you can see. :)
No comments about the stereo eval yet? A two-speaker system that cranks -- now that's a bold claim.
Josh
daytona_500 says:
10:26 PM, 03/31/08
sadbuttrue,
But didn't you say that you visited the Honda dealer to get the kneepad?
estreka says:
10:37 PM, 03/31/08
Josh - See first post.
cx7lover says:
03:16 AM, 04/ 1/08
Yeah, it might be a bold claim, but now I'm sure it could be just that, a claim.
I remember another post somewhere about the system being lackluster, so yeah.
noflash1 says:
05:23 AM, 04/ 1/08
This has been an issue for me with my Civic Hybrid -- I have been making due with pipe insulation.
Can you elaborate on the "Part" and where to get it? Some kind of product ID would be nice.
Thanks, nf
1487 says:
05:37 AM, 04/ 1/08
since Honda is constantly praised for having the best ergonomics around I am wondering how this could have happened. I'm sure this wont stop the Honda praise in the future however. Personally, I find the civic's entire interior to be over the top and lacking in ergonomics.
vacagrande says:
06:39 AM, 04/ 1/08
Have shorter people complained about the handbrake, or is it just the 6-foot-plus crowd?
jaeger1 says:
07:47 AM, 04/ 1/08
Now that is funny.
firstwagon says:
08:02 AM, 04/ 1/08
Doesn't the seat go back further so you don't have to sit bow legged?
brianaustintx says:
08:56 AM, 04/ 1/08
No, the seat in this car (and many others unfortunately) do not go back far enough. I've read that it's because auto makers want you perfectly positioned for airbag deployment. Having said that, I'm glad I'm not the only person that was incredibly annoyed with the hand brake location on this car. It’s the main reason I didn’t buy one.
jriz says:
09:09 AM, 04/ 1/08
I was really surprised to see the Japanese/British market console have the shifter and e-brake reversed. Beyond the leg rest issue (which I've noticed myself), why exactly would you want the e-brake closer to your hand than the shifter? Am I missing something here?
daxtripper says:
09:11 AM, 04/ 1/08
Opfreak: "wow, on jap cars, theres a fix for their issues. On a gm product this would be stupid engineering."
Irrational and racist too! What a combo. That crap wasn't acceptable in 1941 and it isn't now, either.
smalone says:
09:48 AM, 04/ 1/08
My wife really wanted a Civic EX (for the mileage). We went and test drove one, and all I can say is everything about that car seems incredibly "narrow" -- the footwells, the front seats, and especially the back seats when the center armrest is down (okay, I'm 6 foot even, 200 lbs. with a 38 inch waist, but I/m not THAT big). Strangely, I really haven't gotten that "narrow-ness" sense in a friend's Corolla. Anyway, she then drove an Accord EX (cavernous!), and it was all over. It's sitting in our garage now.
noflash1 says:
10:57 AM, 04/ 1/08
6'3" 210lbs. Fit great in my Civic. Just need the e-brake cushion.
I agree the Accord is huge, but I'd hardly call the Civic small. There are several small cars that I fell squished in, but the new Civic isn't one of them.
Cheers, nf
chevy598 says:
11:17 AM, 04/ 1/08
daxtripper,
If that was a GM car all we would hear is "it's a perfect reason not to buy that car." They would be saying, 'GM still can't get the interior right, and they still have a long way to go in catching the competition."
stingray454 says:
11:24 AM, 04/ 1/08
I just sat in a new Subaru Outback at the auto show last weekend, and it had the same issue with poor placement of the hand brake. I noticed it was hitting my right leg the instant I got in the driver's seat. I was perplexed how the engineers missed such an obvious problem. I'm of average height and build, yet the hand brake dug right into my right leg so badly to the point I wouldn't buy that car because of it. I know the average Japanese is slightly smaller than the average American, but not THAT much smaller. How did they not notice this?
1487 says:
11:44 AM, 04/ 1/08
"If that was a GM car all we would hear is "it's a perfect reason not to buy that car." They would be saying, 'GM still can't get the interior right, and they still have a long way to go in catching the competition.""
pretty much. Typically when an issue crops up like this in a Preferred Brand some type of justification or trivialization of the flaw will be offered. After all, Honda's engineers and designers know much more than we do so there has to be a reason.
sadbuttrue says:
11:48 AM, 04/ 1/08
Chevy598 (edit: and 1487),
Actually, I do think the Civic's handbrake placement is a perfect reason not to buy the car. I couldn't justify dropping $20k on a vehicle that required me to put a 3-wood headcover (e.g.) on its handbrake. I am perfectly happy to call this "stupid engineering" on Honda's part -- for the longer-legged American market, at least.
BrianAustinTX seems to feel the same way.
Josh
hondacura4 says:
02:21 PM, 04/ 1/08
2 Honda bashing blogs in a row....WOW! Im sure a few people who post here quite often are very proud.
While Im here Ill bash Honda too. Although my leg doesnt rest on the handbrake while driving a 06+ Civic I know it does bother a lot of people and the design should be corrected. Id look for it to be changed slightly in the Civics MMC.
Hondas been sort of off lately......
roar02ram says:
05:44 AM, 04/ 2/08
Well, look at it like this - you can take this one & deal with the knee-banging, or you can go take the old-style Honda parking brake and give up one of the two large cubbies that resulted from the knee-banging design. We're gonna go MickeyD's style on this one - Have it your way!
thebundo says:
12:33 AM, 05/ 8/08
Josh, what dealer had the parking brake cover/pad? Do you have a make or model? My Honda dealer has never seen one