The Edmunds family's twice-annual trip to Pistol River, Oregon, to visit my parents, is upon us. Since it always rains and sometimes snows during our winter visit, we opted for the newest 4x4 in our fleet. Our pristine 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe LT seems to be equipped just the way we need it: 4-wheel drive, an enclosed and lockable space to haul loot to and fro, rear seat DVD player, and, well, that's about it for our requirements this time around. As a bonus, we'll be able to make comparisons to the Jeep Commander we used last summer just before it met its unfortunate demise.
With bucketloads of presents to haul up, and who-knows-what Santa-residue to haul back, it becomes clear right away that the third row seats, which do not fold flat into the floor, have to come out and stay behind in our garage. For this trip, the Tahoe will strictly be a 4-seater. No family touring in Oregon with my relations this time around. As I took the two suitcase-sized units out, I passed them over our bathroom scale. They weigh, get this, 63.5 lbs apiece. There is no way my wife would ever even attempt to do this deed. Lift with the knees, is all I have to say, especially going back in.
Sure, they're smiling now. But let's see how well that holds up after several hundred miles.
The first day is an easy one, as we head up to Hearst Castle, a mere 280-odd miles north. Not much to report, as everyone is getting settled-in. The rear DVD player and wireless headphones are a hit with the kids, while up front, Tracy and I use the "Aux" jack to polish off a few podcasts on my Nano.
My wife notes that the ride is a bit "sproingy" at times, especially over the lumpy sorts of roads we find near the Cali coast where the earth has moved a bit. It doesn't seem to be as objectionable as our late Commander had been. We'll see more of this type of road on the entire trip, so if anyone hurls, we'll let you know.
Safely refueled and tucked away in a seaside Cambria hotel for the night, we're looking forward to tomorrow's drive up California highway 1 to Big Sur and our eventual rendezvous with Santa near San Francisco.
Day 1 tally: 298 miles, 17.6 gallons added at a cost of $52.87, 16.9 mpg.
Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing @ 4,013 miles

autoboy16 says:
09:49 AM, 12/23/06
Such a good long term vehicle it is...
still: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LONG TERM RX400h?
-Cj
readerreader says:
11:23 AM, 12/23/06
Did they ever have one in the first place?
Are you the guy who was clamoring for Edmunds to add this to their fleet?
I have no clue why. The vehicle itself is not very significant. It's just a hybrid version of the best-selling luxury SUV in the country.
If everybody and their mother drives it, and it's a Lexus, exactly what do you hope to learn long-term from Edmunds?
If you want to know about fuel economy, you can look that up in five minutes on the internet.
You don't need an SUV--much less a luxury one, if fuel economy is your concern.
Buy used. A used wagon, that is--and hold.
In any case, most people who would even consider a Lexus in the first place are probably going to buy one anyways.
So why clog up our Edmunds blog just to soothe a need for validation?
Because you certainly couldn't be worried about long-term reliability of a Lexus (...and one under warranty at that!).
It's an obscure vehicle of dubious value to the public.
I know I'd much rather read about cars that we buy on a daily basis, rather than some from a brand that's supposedly perfect.
It's a Lexus, it's "perfect", go buy it.
As for me, I'd like to hear about Volkswagens, Hondas, Chevrolets, BMWs, Cadillacs etc.
By the way, good blog entry.
rsholland says:
12:44 PM, 12/23/06
The picture of the 63.5 lbs x 2 rear seats sitting in your garage, and the thought of wifey trying to deal with them, says it all for me...
robert73 says:
01:00 PM, 12/23/06
The main reason our family got the EL instead of the Suburban was because of the third row seats. Truthfully My Grandpa, my Dad, and myself all hate it compared to the Suburban. Wanna know why? Well, it's a Ford. I come from a big anti- Ford family, even though we have had a Volvo and several Lincolns, but my family doesn't consider em true Fords. I personally never want to own a Ford or Toyota (because of more family reasons) and even if that's the only vehicle I can get, I'd rather walk to work.
zach101 says:
05:50 PM, 12/23/06
Yes, they did buy an RX400h. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=106271
priuscrusher says:
07:04 PM, 12/23/06
Shame about the heavy seats. But, I'm thinking about a GMC Acadia, and would like to know what the suburban offers for the higher price(higher assuming similar options ).
jsmilesrmhs says:
07:34 PM, 12/23/06
priuscrusher
The Chevy Surbarban is the same thing with the seats, they do not fold flat because they are built on gm b900 plateform, but the GmC acadia does have fold flat seats, and gets good gad mileage.
civicguy3 says:
08:15 PM, 12/23/06
There is one good thing about heavy, removable seats. In a 90s Dodge Caravan, without the seats, the car performs better, and gets better mileage.
autoboy16 says:
05:14 AM, 12/24/06
thank you zach101. If you analyze the information, they went on a roadtrip and had a POWER STEERING FAILURE!! So much for the PERFECT Lexus.
I'm eagar to know what happenedto it and why there isn't a blog for it like the rest of the cars.
-Cj
rsholland says:
02:24 PM, 12/27/06
Hmmm...
Looking at the newly inserted image, it looks like the load floor is rather high. From what I can see, there looks to be 4" – 6" space between the top of the step bumper (where the bottom of the tailgate rests) and the rear cargo area load floor.
I don't recall there being that much space between the interior load floor and the rear step bumper on other SUVs?
ktoepke says:
05:47 PM, 12/27/06
autoboy16 - Yes, we do own a 2006 Lexus RX 400h, but since it's used mostly around town, we were unsure if it would accumulate enough miles for it to be worthwhile blog fodder. This blog started as a test, and not all of our vehicles migrated over. The Lexus is the last hold-out from the old format, and it kinda slipped through the crack.
We've recently decided to add it to the long-term test car blog, and you should see it appear within the next week or two.
Kelly
actualsize says:
12:08 AM, 12/28/06
The floor height on our Tahoe is pretty typical for truck-based SUVs. Based on my experience with earlier ones, it feels about the same. Remember that the body rests on the frame, and a full-sized spare hangs just beneath. I think we've gotten used to the low floor offered by car-based unibody SUVs. Their floors are so much lower because the body IS the frame. And they don't always carry full-sized spares, opting instead for compact ones. And then there are minivans, which have a deep well back there capable of swallowing the third seat whole.
rsholland says:
09:33 AM, 12/28/06
Is the cargo floor height vs. bumper height like this on the new Expedition that you just tested? What about the Armada or Sequoia?
actualsize says:
01:19 PM, 12/28/06
I do not have the data at my fingertips, nor physical examples of those other SUVs.
But I do have a tape measure handy. From ground to top of bumper, our 2007 Tahoe 4x4 measures 28 5/8". From ground to load floor scuff plate, it measures 32 5/8". And the bumper protrudes 11.5" out from the load floor at the center, its furthest point. The receiver hitch is dead flush with the bumper, so it isn't a shin-buster.
I'll measure the others when I get the chance, but that could be weeks. Those of you at home are welcome to play along too.
rsholland says:
01:33 PM, 12/28/06
Looking at the open rear hatch of the Inside Line test Kia Sedona, the rear load floor is almost level with the top of the rear bumper, unlike the Tahoe.http://66.160.188.111/roadtests/622Well, actually, the rear load floor is below the bumper height.I still think a comparison with other body-on-frame SUVs on this issue would be interesting, and perhaps even enlightening.
thebigal says:
02:08 PM, 12/28/06
I'm gonna go for the Acadia when it comes out... and even then it'll be a couple of years before I am ready for one. I don't really need the "size" of the Suburban so a Tahoe would've fit the bill, a Trailblazer doesn't seat enough people and since the only reason I would buy a vehicle such as a Tahoe would be to haul more people around than a sedan. Since the Acadia offers as much room or more than most mini-vans and promises as good or better fuel economy and has more room than even the Tahoe, I am eying that more and more.
actualsize says:
02:22 PM, 12/28/06
Carrying cargo is so much easier in a minivan, but so many people are dead set against the idea of being seen in one. And the Tahoe has real 4x4 capability and can tow 7,200 pounds. Minivans with AWD are few, and they're really only good for snow traction. Towing usually tops out at 3,500 lbs.
But in terms of cagro hauling, minivan liftover is always much, much lower. And the third seat need not be removed as it disappears into a well in the floor, and they have more ultimate cubic feet of capacity than a Tahoe or Expedition. I've bough 10 foot long lumber and conduit at home depot and hauled it home in an Odyssey - straight down the middle with the hatch closed. I can only manage 7 feet in this Tahoe, perhaps 8 if I angle the lumber and leave seats behind in the garage.